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  13:21:54  4 September 2008
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lucifon
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Performance Tweak Recommendations

Can anyone recommend any performance tweaks?

My copy arrived today and the performance is significantly worse than STALKER was. Ive managed to disable shadows by following a tweak guide for the original STALKER.

Playing windowed it seems theres no way to have anti aliasing. The game options dont work, neither does forcing it through my Nvidia Panel.
  13:34:57  4 September 2008
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bluemax
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Performance Tweak Recommendations

Can anyone recommend any performance tweaks?

My copy arrived today and the performance is significantly worse than STALKER was. Ive managed to disable shadows by following a tweak guide for the original STALKER.

Playing windowed it seems theres no way to have anti aliasing. The game options dont work, neither does forcing it through my Nvidia Panel.
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Im gutted,it doesnt run nearly as well as i thought it would,almost max with 8xaa and 4xaf with all high settings(texture/object detail/view distance all nearly full)and i was getting like 10fps

Utterly dissapointed,ive managed to put them up higher now,as it seems fine when im out of that start area

but still lower than i thought it would go.

Its obviously an optimization issue,as games that looks twice as good didnt bother my pc when i had my 8800gts
  13:42:53  4 September 2008
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nunokas
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well bluemax...i think you were prepared for that when reading the comments by other users it's dx10 and AA, try to shut of AA and see the diferences...



regards
  14:06:19  4 September 2008
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BaconBuster V 96.76
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if your using the games AA....there is really no AA in CS... it uses deferred shading again. your better off turning it completely of and just forcing your desired level in the Nvidia control panel.

I'm pretty sure the ingame AF doesn't work either because on my 280's it makes no visual difference at all. although if I disable it in game and force it through the nvidia control panel I see the difference.



also go to your user.ltx which is located in the public documents/STALKER-STCS and holds your savegames. logs,and screen shots open it and change r3_msaa on to r3_msaa off.
  14:27:52  4 September 2008
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shifter
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Performance Tweak Recommendations

Can anyone recommend any performance tweaks?

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start here;
http://www.tweakguides.com/System.html

this will get you started to having your system running properly for general gaming. invaluable tips and easy to read. 'A class' site IMO.

this site is famous also for game specific tweaking. they list STALKER ShOC in their full guides.

alas, CSky isnt there yet but it would be worth having a browse over the pages for ShOC and see if there are some pointers that might apply to CS.
  15:31:24  4 September 2008
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lucifon
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also go to your user.ltx which is located in the public documents/STALKER-STCS and holds your savegames. logs,and screen shots open it and change r3_msaa on to r3_msaa off.
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What does that do exactly?
  19:43:57  4 September 2008
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shifter
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What does that do exactly?
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turns off the AA. (Anti Aliasing)
  19:49:26  4 September 2008
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BaconBuster V 96.76
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What does that do exactly?

turns off the AA. (Anti Aliasing)
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almost... it turns off Multisample anti-aliasing. which, unless you're fucking superhuman you won't notice any visual difference in CS.

what you WILL notice however if you are normal or even above normal is just the performance drain it puts on your system if it's left on.
  19:57:35  4 September 2008
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Its obviously an optimization issue,as games that looks twice as good didnt bother my pc when i had my 8800gts
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Wow, Clear Sky may not be the best looking game, but I do think ATM it's in top 5. Where did you get a game that looks twice as good ?! You're probably one of the guys that thought SoC graphic's are dated, and still think - in a less proportion of course - the same thing about Clear Sky!
  20:07:37  4 September 2008
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BaconBuster V 96.76
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I'd bet he will say Crysis

it's hard to beat the visual quality of Crysis at Maximum. details

IMO Clear Sky is still beautiful and in the top 5 as well...but obviously it's designed to be darker then a game like Crysis.Crysis really has it beat in the Vegetation department and the water department....but it has to it's hard to pass of a tropical based game with shit vegetation models and crap ass flat water.

damn Vegetation in CS and SOC looks really bland regardless of how high the details are.like ps2 bland ...everything else is fine though.
  21:01:39  4 September 2008
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nunokas
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What does that do exactly?

turns off the AA. (Anti Aliasing)

almost... it turns off Multisample anti-aliasing. which, unless you're fucking superhuman you won't notice any visual difference in CS.

what you WILL notice however if you are normal or even above normal is just the performance drain it puts on your system if it's left on.
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I have to do this also in dx9? or i just need to put it off ingame settings and drivers (like SHOC) ?


regards.
  21:06:07  4 September 2008
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Casshern1981b
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What does that do exactly?

turns off the AA. (Anti Aliasing)

almost... it turns off Multisample anti-aliasing. which, unless you're fucking superhuman you won't notice any visual difference in CS.

what you WILL notice however if you are normal or even above normal is just the performance drain it puts on your system if it's left on.

I have to do this also in dx9? or i just need to put it off ingame settings and drivers (like SHOC) ?


regards.
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What i did is add the following command to the game shortcut
-noprefetch
  21:09:38  4 September 2008
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BaconBuster V 96.76
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no it doesn't apply to DX 9. only if you run DX 10.

Casshern1981b that really only helps load times. it's been said to actually increase stutter in game if you use that switch
  21:13:14  4 September 2008
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nunokas
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Thx bacon, keep the helpfull good post's


regards
  22:17:50  4 September 2008
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Casshern1981b
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no it doesn't apply to DX 9. only if you run DX 10.

Casshern1981b that really only helps load times. it's been said to actually increase stutter in game if you use that switch
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I'll just remove it then, that's why CS is stuttering, notice that SOC did not stutter, Thx Bacon !

I'm off to bed tomorrow it's work then some CS (with the 2nd patch i hope) Good night to all you Stalkers !
  00:28:08  5 September 2008
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skylindrftr
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Hey guys quick question (well maybe not quick): I currently running a AMD Athlon x2 4200+ w/ 1.5G DDR 400 (Dual Channel) and a Asus 521mb EAH3870 (operating system is Vista 32). I can barely run stalker on dynamic objects lighting or whatever (second setting), the frame rate is terrible. This is a fresh install of Vista and there is not much on the computer, is this normal in your experience? Also, when I turned on DX10 mode for shits and giggles everything gets all stripey and not right looking.

So, to combat this I went out and ordered a Q6600 w/ a shitty entry level mobo (PC Chips P55G v1.0) and 4 gigs of ddr2 800 super talent ram. Do you think this will be enough to run at near highest settings? I am going to try to optimize all this stuff with tweak guides too and plan to reformat with a fresh copy of either vista ultimate or xp pro. Is there a way yet to activate the DX10 features on XP? If so I will probably use that as it is less of a ram hog...
  00:37:36  5 September 2008
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BaconBuster V 96.76
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Hey guys quick question (well maybe not quick): I currently running a AMD Athlon x2 4200+ w/ 1.5G DDR 400 (Dual Channel) and a Asus 521mb EAH3870 (operating system is Vista 32). I can barely run stalker on dynamic objects lighting or whatever (second setting), the frame rate is terrible. This is a fresh install of Vista and there is not much on the computer, is this normal in your experience? Also, when I turned on DX10 mode for shits and giggles everything gets all stripey and not right looking.

So, to combat this I went out and ordered a Q6600 w/ a shitty entry level mobo (PC Chips P55G v1.0) and 4 gigs of ddr2 800 super talent ram. Do you think this will be enough to run at near highest settings? I am going to try to optimize all this stuff with tweak guides too and plan to reformat with a fresh copy of either vista ultimate or xp pro. Is there a way yet to activate the DX10 features on XP? If so I will probably use that as it is less of a ram hog...
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yeah it will help.

one note though. Vista 32 bit won't use all of that ram the 32 bit OS is limited to utilizing up to 3 gb. it's a limitation of using any 32 bit OS. you can install 4 GB and Vista will see it but not use that extra gig. so unless you are getting a package deal on the ram you are wasting your money.
  03:43:47  5 September 2008
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skylindrftr
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Hey guys quick question (well maybe not quick): I currently running a AMD Athlon x2 4200+ w/ 1.5G DDR 400 (Dual Channel) and a Asus 521mb EAH3870 (operating system is Vista 32). I can barely run stalker on dynamic objects lighting or whatever (second setting), the frame rate is terrible. This is a fresh install of Vista and there is not much on the computer, is this normal in your experience? Also, when I turned on DX10 mode for shits and giggles everything gets all stripey and not right looking.

So, to combat this I went out and ordered a Q6600 w/ a shitty entry level mobo (PC Chips P55G v1.0) and 4 gigs of ddr2 800 super talent ram. Do you think this will be enough to run at near highest settings? I am going to try to optimize all this stuff with tweak guides too and plan to reformat with a fresh copy of either vista ultimate or xp pro. Is there a way yet to activate the DX10 features on XP? If so I will probably use that as it is less of a ram hog... yeah it will help.

one note though. Vista 32 bit won't use all of that ram the 32 bit OS is limited to utilizing up to 3 gb. it's a limitation of using any 32 bit OS. you can install 4 GB and Vista will see it but not use that extra gig. so unless you are getting a package deal on the ram you are wasting your money.
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Yeah its a package deal =/ I heard that Vista 32 supports up to 4 gigs, elsewhere, but I guess it was wrong? Is there anyway to make vista recognize or use it? What about xp, how many gigs does that use?
  03:50:53  5 September 2008
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TheTallDude
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It's the same with both Vista and XP, if you have 32bit versions of them you can't use all 4Gb. Only way to be able to use all the ram is to install Vista or XP 64bit.

I have XP 32bit and I can use 3Gb of 4Gb ram. I think it depends on the other stuff in the PC, if the graphicscard has 512mb memory you can use 3,5Gb, but i have 2 GPU's so maybe thats the reason i can only use 3Gb?

Because i have heard you usually can use 3,5.

Maybe the stuff above makes no sense, im so tired.
  03:59:29  5 September 2008
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shifter
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.., AMD Athlon x2 4200+ w/ 1.5G DDR 400 (Dual Channel) and a Asus 521mb EAH3870 (operating system is Vista 32).

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slightly irrelevant if you are axing this system but in the meantime: how are you running 1.5Gb dual channel?

you need two matching sticks for a dual channel and then another two for another dual channel. you seem to have either 1Gb stick plus two 512Mb's or three 512Mb's??

if they are all 512's you should get another and run two dual channels. fyi if you keep/pass on that system.


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.., I went out and ordered a Q6600 w/ shitty entry level mobo (PC Chips P55G v1.0) and 4 gigs of ddr2 800 super talent ram. Do you think this will be enough to run at near highest settings? I am going to try to optimize all this stuff with tweak guides too and plan to reformat with a fresh copy of either vista ultimate or xp pro. Is there a way yet to activate the DX10 features on XP? If so I will probably use that as it is less of a ram hog...

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hmm. quad core for CSky? it will only use the one core. i would change it if you can for a C2D with a higher per core clockrate.

run vista64. RAM is cheap but as mentioned, under XP you would lose one of your 4Gb.

actually, if you were feeling adventerous you could dual boot XP (DX9) and Vista64 to check out all the DX10.
  04:07:54  5 September 2008
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shifter
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It's the same with both Vista and XP, if you have 32bit versions of them you can't use all 4Gb. Only way to be able to use all the ram is to install Vista or XP 64bit.
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any 32bit OS hits a 4Gb limit. Various Windows OS does other stuff i dont know about that can hit the limit at 3Gb. lucky we dont use Win95 or "Microsoft Bob" (yes, that was a real OS name, the brainchild of Uncle Bill)
  04:13:22  5 September 2008
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BaconBuster V 96.76
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I can't name one game that uses over 2 GB of ram. the only reason to get a 64 bit OS is if you use programs that require more ram than 32 bit can offer.


the only times I use my 64 bit install and drop in my other 4 GBs of Ram to my rig is to do editing/encoding , work on huge ass modeling projects in my spare time on 3dsmax...or make the occasion Monster sized Crysis map with the editor.

80% of the other time I just boot into my 32 bit because games and other programs are just more stable.
  04:23:45  5 September 2008
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yeah. my best machine still runs 1Gb. i have a NAS box with 128Mb but thats just a low power microITX toy

im due for a core system upgrade and will probably go with 2 x 2 Gigs of nice quality. i would still recommend 1Gb XP systems (or Win2K even if thats what they are accustomed to!) to people with ordinary needs. ie: email/typewriter

i dont need more even now cause i just queue the encode work.
  05:47:24  5 September 2008
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skylindrftr
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Hmm so do you think I can run it on full DX10 w/ q6600 4 gigs ddr 800 (non dual channel) and a radeon hd3870 512mb? If not maybe I can install vista x64 to use that extra gig of ram haha...
  06:25:55  6 September 2008
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shifter
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Hmm so do you think I can run it on full DX10 w/ q6600 4 gigs ddr 800 (non dual channel) and a radeon hd3870 512mb? If not maybe I can install vista x64 to use that extra gig of ram haha...
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vista64 or xp64 will use all of you memory. why do you mention non-dual channel? why non dual channel!?

you would have a better chance with different hardware as per my previous post. if you cant change your order you will just have to wait and see.
  06:45:14  6 September 2008
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His biggest limitation (other than dual channel not configured correctly)is that 3870 Vcard. I'd spend money on replacing that first.
S.T.A.L.K.E.R. performance is also directly related to clock speed. After setting up dual channel (2 same size sticks in the correct slots) then overclock the 4200 to 2.7 or 2.75Ghz.
  12:16:16  6 September 2008
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lucifon
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So does anyone have any performance fixes? Im running on DX9 on medium settings where on Stalker I was fine, on CS theres stuttering and overall an unsmooth experience.
  13:17:26  6 September 2008
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jonny2410
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God i am annoyed, the game lags on this sysyem:

q9540 3.2ghz
4870X2
4 GB RAM

Its rediculous that probably one of the highest spec machines lags in this game. It is so poorly optimised.

HAving said that i love the game so far when it runs ok (dx9).
  13:26:28  6 September 2008
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bluemax
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God i am annoyed, the game lags on this sysyem:

q9540 3.2ghz
4870X2
4 GB RAM

Its rediculous that probably one of the highest spec machines lags in this game. It is so poorly optimised.

HAving said that i love the game so far when it runs ok (dx9).
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im running dx10 on mine with a respectable estimated 50fps
  13:57:25  6 September 2008
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faradon
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Argh!


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God i am annoyed, the game lags on this sysyem:

q9540 3.2ghz
4870X2
4 GB RAM

Its rediculous that probably one of the highest spec machines lags in this game. It is so poorly optimised.

HAving said that i love the game so far when it runs ok (dx9).
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Yeah, I only get more fps, when I set the view distance to minimum...

So, in Dx9 (maxed) I get 18-25 fps at the top of the oil station..
Then I set the view distance to minimum (the rest still maxed out) and suddenly I get ~40fps..
I also tried Dx10:
maxed out:10fps
maxed out, view distance minimum:25fps (but Dx10 lags like ****)

It doesnt matter what I change, my fps are based on my view distance
This game rocks so much, but its really, really bad optimized even worse than crysis...hoping for a wonder patch...

EDIT: System is q6600, 8800gt, 3,5gb ram (vista 32)
  22:01:04  6 September 2008
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skylindrftr
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His biggest limitation (other than dual channel not configured correctly)is that 3870 Vcard. I'd spend money on replacing that first.
S.T.A.L.K.E.R. performance is also directly related to clock speed. After setting up dual channel (2 same size sticks in the correct slots) then overclock the 4200 to 2.7 or 2.75Ghz.
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ugh I didn't have enough cash to get a good mobo =(
  02:36:17  7 September 2008
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Dragonperil
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Best bit of advice:

turn off prefetching. Now i'm not sure if it's as effecting with CS as it was with SoC, but turning off prefecting essentially only loads up the textures used within the current cell. It makes no real visible difference but clears up a lot of Graphics ram.

to do it, right click your Stalker shortcut, properties, and edit the file path. It should be something like:

'c:/program files/Stalker/stalker.exe'

As an example. Now add "-noprefetch" to the end of it. so what you have is:

'c:/programfiles/stalker/stalker.exe' -noprefetch

notice the quote marks. Enjoy.
 
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