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  23:57:13  10 November 2013
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Tejas Stalker
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On forum: 05/12/2007
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How to survive Red Forest

In my experience whether in the Red Forest or watching the Red Forest
on the PDA Map while in another level, the spawning of mutants is a
continuous action and anyone there will always soon end up dead.

TS
  00:42:37  10 November 2013
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Three Mile Island
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Went to AW to prune mutants. Clearing a path appeared to set the RF stalkers in motion, but also spawned mutants very close to them. I decided to reload the AW level and return to RF a bit earlier.

When I returned to RF the stalker squad was approached by three mutant squads at once (one with snorks, the others with pseudodogs). Took me a few attempts until I could save all four stalkers.

After this I decided to return Compass to Forester, thinking that doing so would stop the mutant spawning, and that seems to be the case at least for now. The downside is that the RF stalkers show no inclination of moving now.
  02:02:39  9 November 2013
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Three Mile Island
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- In southern Red Forest pseudodogs have started spawning, headed straight towards the Dark Yar Stalkers, who will now never survive the Red Forest for sure.
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After killing more of these dogs I went to the Limansk Bridge and put the unwilling ambush survivor in motion again. Then suddenly dogs spawned at their old site (by the electro anomalies with the three dead stalkers). Once I killed these dogs the stalker squad at Witcher's circle immediately started moving (with the Barrier as their target) but for some reason they stopped at the SW corner of the forest (the new mutant spawning site).

At the same time the surviving ambusher moved down the road, again with the Barrier as his target, but stopped at the western camp outside the forest where the mercs end up.

Maybe there's still hope for the Red Forest stalkers, at least if I could make the electro anomaly dogs stop spawning.
  15:27:38  7 November 2013
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Three Mile Island
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Yes in my current game I recall Monolith has conquered the Barrier twice, only to loose it to Freedom again. If you prevent Freedom from sending reinforcements things get really interesting.
  17:58:06  6 November 2013
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RK Roadkill
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Monolithians almost killed the whole squad at the Barrier if i didn't show up. And mutants tend to show up there, so sooner or later they will conquer them, but i think Barrier squads get reinforced fast
  15:28:12  5 November 2013
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Three Mile Island
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Squads tend to take the path of least resistance where possible
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That's my in-game impression too. But do they calculate the total resistance (from every opposing squad on the way to the target) or just that of the nearest squad's?


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Because of the high ranking Stalker squads in AW, and the low rankings of mutants, the game picks a path for mutants that doesn't involve having to go through the stalker squads in AW, which is generally through the Red Forest and Yantar.
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That still requires engaging both the Freedom and Duty squads next to Forester and the Stalker squad at Dark Yar. Meanwhile there are just two separate Monolith squads blocking(?) the paved road to AW's southern level changer, the rest of the camps are currently empty (for example, a few Freedom squads have had no problem sneaking past those Monolith positions and continue all the way up to the Barrier, even though that's not the quite the same way that mutants would take).

If mutants wanted to go directly south-east from the Bloodsucker Village I guess they'd have to engage both the Mercs and the two Freedom squads on the hill. For some reason a slight detour (like using the road out of the village) is not allowed by the game.


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Only the siding door at the Garbage/AW lc will stop the mutants. They don't use lc's like the player.
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If the door is closed in CS I guess that's a valid obstacle. I have seen quite a few mutants in the southern AW in previous games (coming from the north), but can't remember if they've ever continued south out of the level.
  05:44:54  5 November 2013
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Squads tend to take the path of least resistance where possible, and don't engage squads with a power greater than theirs unless forced via script. Because of the high ranking Stalker squads in AW, and the low rankings of mutants, the game picks a path for mutants that doesn't involve having to go through the stalker squads in AW, which is generally through the Red Forest and Yantar.
A simple check to see if the attacking squad is monster (the mutant scation), and to artificially set their power so the power condition passes might see mutants attempting to go from AW to Garbage directly, as it is a shorter path to most of the zone than Red Forest/Yantar.
Only the siding door at the Garbage/AW lc will stop the mutants. They don't use lc's like the player.
  03:50:05  5 November 2013
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Tejas Stalker
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How to survive Red Forest

Because of the blockade position at the Garbage exit to the AW, I don't
think it was ever intended to be a mutant path of travel from the AW.

TS
  13:20:01  4 November 2013
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Three Mile Island
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True, but the ones in AW shouldn't have to take the Red Forest detour since they can go to Garbage directly through the southern AW level changer. But the paths of faction war squads and mutants have always been convoluted in CS...
  02:40:05  4 November 2013
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Tejas Stalker
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How to survive Red Forest

Red Forest Mutants have to pass by Dark Yar on the way to Garbage.

TS
 
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