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 06:28:46 8 September 2014 |
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pRopaaNS
Senior Resident
On forum: 05/06/2014
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09/08/2014 6:31:47
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Upgrading items
I think it would be better gameplay if upgrading system got removed.
My argument for this conclusion(I'm excluding balance issues for upgrading system not being completed):
->there is no reason(except for running out of ammo) to use most of picked up weapons found in game while already wielding an superior upgraded weapon. Upgrading allows you to adjust any gun you desire according to your needs, however having reasons to use different guns creates more diverse and more interesting gameplay experience. I'm on my third playthrough and I'm getting bored of still running with same akm despite it's one of my favourite weapons in game. I wish game gave me opportunities to use different guns it offers. I could as well see it as waste of resources if players can play while ignoring most of guns in game except for selling them. |
| 15:07:19 8 September 2014 |
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pRopaaNS
Senior Resident
On forum: 05/06/2014
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Just don't upgrade the weapons.
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Sorry, but I want to play a game, not to fool around while herp derping. |
| 16:29:38 8 September 2014 |
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Pepe Silvia
(Novice)
On forum: 08/18/2014
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09/08/2014 16:36:58
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I don't really understand your "problem", as you don't have to upgrade any weapons if you don't want. Personally I like the upgrades, and it would be a shame to remove them IMO
If you don't want to keep using the same weapon(s), then pick something else and use it instead lol. For example, I don't use a sniper rifle (upgraded or not) if I'm going into an underground area; so I take something better in close-quarters.
Also, even in the later levels enemies still use basic weapons found at the start like the AK-74su and double-barrel shotguns. I sure as hell don't want to be in the sh*t with one of those when mutants/Monolith are hunting me down. I'll take my upgraded LR300 w/ extended mag and high fire rate any day |
| 17:20:12 8 September 2014 |
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pRopaaNS
Senior Resident
On forum: 05/06/2014
Message edited by:
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09/08/2014 17:25:28
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Just don't upgrade the weapons.
Sorry, but I want to play a game, not to fool around while herp derping.
No one force you to upgrade your weapons. Stop whining and play the game instead.
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It sounds like in your opinion LA is a sandbox title rather than survival horror game. I see no other reason why would someone even consider not using options game provides for greatly improving his survival chances. What you're suggesting is akin to playing chess while pretending that some pieces doesn't exist. Don't make sense to me. |
| 19:13:39 8 September 2014 |
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Brunzer
(Senior)
On forum: 02/13/2011
Messages: 97
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It sounds like in your opinion LA is a sandbox title rather than survival horror game. I see no other reason why would someone even consider not using options game provides for greatly improving his survival chances. What you're suggesting is akin to playing chess while pretending that some pieces doesn't exist. Don't make sense to me.
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I agree with your statement; purposely gimping yourself makes no sense. Yet there are many different weapons with their own specific advantages and drawbacks which allow for different playstyles. Your favourite weapon is the AKM, while I run around with a G36 and a Chaser.
To make more weapons a viable choice I think the availability of (different) ammo should be looked at and the upgrades need to be tweaked. Some upgrades are simply detrimental and some weapons have overpowered upgrade paths. The G36 can be upgraded so that it has near perfect accuracy and a very high rate of fire, same goes for the AK74/2. Upgrades for the VLA special assault rifle are marginal and often detrimental. Shotgun shells and 5.45/5.56 ammo are (too) widely available, whereas ammo for a sniper rifle or 9x39 is very scarce.
That once you’ve obtained, for example an AKM, and upgraded it, every other AKM becomes useless doesn’t bother me that much. Those weapons are simply become merchandise which, coupled with a sensible weight limit, is an additional gameplay mechanic. |
| 21:44:02 8 September 2014 |
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pRopaaNS
Senior Resident
On forum: 05/06/2014
Message edited by:
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09/08/2014 21:50:54
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If you like to play the game as a true Horror Survival Game, then don't use the upgrades. There is no one forcing you to use the upgrades. It's a free choice just like no one is forcing you to pick up every single thing that can be sold and sell it.
There are people who plays the original SoC using only what they can find in the game, they don't sell anything. It's their choice, no one is forcing that style of playing on them.
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That's not what I meant by "survival horror", I mean that decision making and managing equipment is a big part of game of this genre, which is why it doesn't make sense and is stupid to make bad decisions on purpose, like not upgrading weapons when game offers it. That's why I mentioned "sandbox game", because that's genre where decision making doesn't matter and everything is just about fooling around for fun... Is that what you're suggesting to me? |
| 01:01:56 9 September 2014 |
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PCDania
The Dane
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On forum: 09/22/2007
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That's not what I meant by "survival horror", I mean that decision making and managing equipment is a big part of game of this genre, which is why it doesn't make sense and is stupid to make bad decisions on purpose, like not upgrading weapons when game offers it. That's why I mentioned "sandbox game", because that's genre where decision making doesn't matter and everything is just about fooling around for fun... Is that what you're suggesting to me?
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Seems like it's either black or white at your place. Stalker is not and has never been a 'sandbox game', regardless if you can upgrade equipment or not. Don't know where you get the idea I suggest you to play a 'sandbox game'. What I suggest is that, if you find the game too easy make it more difficult. RealLife™ works just the same if you think about it, most people tend to try make it easier for themselves except some fail in the process.
If you find you MUST use what is available in the game, then mod it to what you want it to be, just like the other modders. Another thing is: Why force other people to play the game the way you want it to be? Playing is about having a good time.
So, if you don't like something in the game, set your own rules or change it to your liking. There still are no one forcing you to use the upgrade options in the game (except yourself as you have stated by insisting on using the upgrade option because it is there).
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| 01:42:54 9 September 2014 |
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pRopaaNS
Senior Resident
On forum: 05/06/2014
Message edited by:
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09/09/2014 1:45:09
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Meh, if you guys don't see the point i'm making then I guess it's not such a problem as I thought it to be. Although it indeed did annoy me a lot to be told how I should play the game "to avoid" this issue I mentioned. I shouldn't have drifted that way and should have led direction to discuss my real argument for why I think that removing upgrading system could be benefit to gameplay. PCDania seems to have a thing for "teaching" people how they should play game in order to avoid issues they're mentioning instead of using feedback for trying to figure out better solutions and improvements for the game. (I've ignored that he seemed to take me as a whiner and never took my arguments seriously anyway)
Well, I pointed out at my OP that I exclude fact that upgrading system at it's present stage is nowhere close to being completed, due to fact that I enjoy my akm having so great accuracy. However, if I include that then I have my doubts whenver it wouldn't be better for developers to focus on other areas of game to improve(due to how messy upgrading system is at its present stage it seems like it would take tons of work to make it done).
Anyway there was an argument I made, but it's all pointless if it's just being ignored or rather if other people don't have any problems with same reasoning I've written. I guess benefits of having an upgrading system just are attractive enough to offset it. |
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