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  01:42:54  9 September 2014
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pRopaaNS
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Meh, if you guys don't see the point i'm making then I guess it's not such a problem as I thought it to be. Although it indeed did annoy me a lot to be told how I should play the game "to avoid" this issue I mentioned. I shouldn't have drifted that way and should have led direction to discuss my real argument for why I think that removing upgrading system could be benefit to gameplay. PCDania seems to have a thing for "teaching" people how they should play game in order to avoid issues they're mentioning instead of using feedback for trying to figure out better solutions and improvements for the game. (I've ignored that he seemed to take me as a whiner and never took my arguments seriously anyway)

Well, I pointed out at my OP that I exclude fact that upgrading system at it's present stage is nowhere close to being completed, due to fact that I enjoy my akm having so great accuracy. However, if I include that then I have my doubts whenver it wouldn't be better for developers to focus on other areas of game to improve(due to how messy upgrading system is at its present stage it seems like it would take tons of work to make it done).

Anyway there was an argument I made, but it's all pointless if it's just being ignored or rather if other people don't have any problems with same reasoning I've written. I guess benefits of having an upgrading system just are attractive enough to offset it.
  01:01:56  9 September 2014
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PCDania
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That's not what I meant by "survival horror", I mean that decision making and managing equipment is a big part of game of this genre, which is why it doesn't make sense and is stupid to make bad decisions on purpose, like not upgrading weapons when game offers it. That's why I mentioned "sandbox game", because that's genre where decision making doesn't matter and everything is just about fooling around for fun... Is that what you're suggesting to me?
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Seems like it's either black or white at your place. Stalker is not and has never been a 'sandbox game', regardless if you can upgrade equipment or not. Don't know where you get the idea I suggest you to play a 'sandbox game'. What I suggest is that, if you find the game too easy make it more difficult. RealLife™ works just the same if you think about it, most people tend to try make it easier for themselves except some fail in the process.

If you find you MUST use what is available in the game, then mod it to what you want it to be, just like the other modders. Another thing is: Why force other people to play the game the way you want it to be? Playing is about having a good time.

So, if you don't like something in the game, set your own rules or change it to your liking. There still are no one forcing you to use the upgrade options in the game (except yourself as you have stated by insisting on using the upgrade option because it is there).
  22:10:11  8 September 2014
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Steelyglint
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Hmm. I can't see Stalker games in general or LA in particular being 'Survival Horror' games. Survival would suggest something happened to an area and all the people it happened to were fighting to survive.

I'd call it a dark SF post-apocalyptic adventure. If you think about it, not one of the people in the Zone, from any faction, appears to have originated in that area*. They're all adventurers from other places, so they're not just trying to survive or they'd have done that wherever they came from, saving themselves the terror of Pseudodogs, Bloodsuckers and Tourist Delight.

* There's Forester in CS, but he's not really an ordinary NPC.

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  21:44:02  8 September 2014
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pRopaaNS
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If you like to play the game as a true Horror Survival Game, then don't use the upgrades. There is no one forcing you to use the upgrades. It's a free choice just like no one is forcing you to pick up every single thing that can be sold and sell it.

There are people who plays the original SoC using only what they can find in the game, they don't sell anything. It's their choice, no one is forcing that style of playing on them.
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That's not what I meant by "survival horror", I mean that decision making and managing equipment is a big part of game of this genre, which is why it doesn't make sense and is stupid to make bad decisions on purpose, like not upgrading weapons when game offers it. That's why I mentioned "sandbox game", because that's genre where decision making doesn't matter and everything is just about fooling around for fun... Is that what you're suggesting to me?
  21:02:01  8 September 2014
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PCDania
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Just don't upgrade the weapons.
Sorry, but I want to play a game, not to fool around while herp derping.
No one force you to upgrade your weapons. Stop whining and play the game instead.It sounds like in your opinion LA is a sandbox title rather than survival horror game. I see no other reason why would someone even consider not using options game provides for greatly improving his survival chances. What you're suggesting is akin to playing chess while pretending that some pieces doesn't exist. Don't make sense to me.
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What type of game I believe or do not believe this is has nothing to do with the subject so please keep that out of the discussion.

There are players who are not so used to this kind of games who are happy for those upgrades as it makes the game type more manageable for them so they can enjoy the game instead of getting frustrated by getting killed all the time because the game is too difficult for them.

If you like to play the game as a true Horror Survival Game, then don't use the upgrades. There is no one forcing you to use the upgrades. It's a free choice just like no one is forcing you to pick up every single thing that can be sold and sell it.

There are people who plays the original SoC using only what they can find in the game, they don't sell anything. It's their choice, no one is forcing that style of playing on them.
  19:13:39  8 September 2014
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Brunzer
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It sounds like in your opinion LA is a sandbox title rather than survival horror game. I see no other reason why would someone even consider not using options game provides for greatly improving his survival chances. What you're suggesting is akin to playing chess while pretending that some pieces doesn't exist. Don't make sense to me.
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I agree with your statement; purposely gimping yourself makes no sense. Yet there are many different weapons with their own specific advantages and drawbacks which allow for different playstyles. Your favourite weapon is the AKM, while I run around with a G36 and a Chaser.

To make more weapons a viable choice I think the availability of (different) ammo should be looked at and the upgrades need to be tweaked. Some upgrades are simply detrimental and some weapons have overpowered upgrade paths. The G36 can be upgraded so that it has near perfect accuracy and a very high rate of fire, same goes for the AK74/2. Upgrades for the VLA special assault rifle are marginal and often detrimental. Shotgun shells and 5.45/5.56 ammo are (too) widely available, whereas ammo for a sniper rifle or 9x39 is very scarce.

That once you’ve obtained, for example an AKM, and upgraded it, every other AKM becomes useless doesn’t bother me that much. Those weapons are simply become merchandise which, coupled with a sensible weight limit, is an additional gameplay mechanic.
  18:10:56  8 September 2014
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badade
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I see no other reason why would someone even consider not using options game provides for greatly improving his survival chances
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I only use what enhances my experience and never enjoy the latter stages as much as the start where I have to struggle for everything. If I can manage without I do but I also appreciate different levels of skill and playing style.

The game has many options available in the initial setup; I choose what suits me and continue to do so throughout the game.
  17:20:12  8 September 2014
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pRopaaNS
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Just don't upgrade the weapons.
Sorry, but I want to play a game, not to fool around while herp derping.
No one force you to upgrade your weapons. Stop whining and play the game instead.
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It sounds like in your opinion LA is a sandbox title rather than survival horror game. I see no other reason why would someone even consider not using options game provides for greatly improving his survival chances. What you're suggesting is akin to playing chess while pretending that some pieces doesn't exist. Don't make sense to me.
  17:07:13  8 September 2014
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PCDania
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---QUOTATION---
Just don't upgrade the weapons.
Sorry, but I want to play a game, not to fool around while herp derping.
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No one force you to upgrade your weapons. Stop whining and play the game instead.
  16:29:38  8 September 2014
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Pepe Silvia
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09/08/2014 16:36:58
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I don't really understand your "problem", as you don't have to upgrade any weapons if you don't want. Personally I like the upgrades, and it would be a shame to remove them IMO

If you don't want to keep using the same weapon(s), then pick something else and use it instead lol. For example, I don't use a sniper rifle (upgraded or not) if I'm going into an underground area; so I take something better in close-quarters.

Also, even in the later levels enemies still use basic weapons found at the start like the AK-74su and double-barrel shotguns. I sure as hell don't want to be in the sh*t with one of those when mutants/Monolith are hunting me down. I'll take my upgraded LR300 w/ extended mag and high fire rate any day
 
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