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  20:17:11  10 March 2005
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Wilmer
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On forum: 02/23/2005
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S.T.A.L.K.E.R 2? wtf!? An add-on with extra features and stuff would be nice, like they release the game first and then starts working on some wierd and time consuming ideas. But S.T.A.L.K.E.R 2? What would that be about?

I hope they make S.T.A.L.K.E.R a great game and then starts working on something else. Most big (and good) games which have been released in the last years have been sequels. EA and Ubisoft are just too scared of new ideas.
  05:59:14  10 March 2005
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Dark-AI
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On forum: 03/06/2005
 

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03/10/2005 6:01:16
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I agree stiler, the more immersive the driving experience the better as it adds a whole lot of replayability when youv'e finished the game and come back just re-experiance and cruise the zone. I love the idea of having the sound of gravel and debris being kicked up and hitting the floor of the car while driving fast over dirt roads and rubble and the correct sound inside when driving fast through deep puddles as well as having a free mouselook camera while inside will improve the feeling that you are in a real car.

Another good thing that might come from having a mouselook camera view from the drivers seat is that you could interact with the dashboard and objects inside the passenger compartment that are in reach, the radio could be controlled by pointing at the right button or slider and hitting or holding down "use" or preset mouse button to press buttons or drag sliders, and other buttons and switches on the dashboard would work, such as the headlights and breakdown lights as well as levers such as the handbrake, though the handbrake would probably be better set to a keyboard controll.

If there is an object or weapon on the front passenger seat you could interact with it too, Like having an RPG on the passenger seat that when used would be equipped, but you wouldn't be able to steer while equipping it, and when you try to steer the weapon would be thrown back onto the passenger seat. Another possibility would to be to have a machine such as an anomaly sensor on the passenger seat and you could turn it on and off and change simple settings.

It might be too complicated for now but it would be nice to see in S.T.A.L.K.E.R II and with a more simple functional version in S.T.A.L.K.E.R I.
  23:56:57  9 March 2005
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Stiler
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03/10/2005 0:05:38
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I just hope that they make driving an immersive experience.

Not simply a "hop in the gar, start it up. BAM You're going."

I tend to play most racing games in third person because first feels broken to me in most, it just doesn't look/feel right.

However some games I LOVE first person because they go that extra mile to really make it feel like you are really in the car driving it.

One of these games it he Colin mcrae series. If anyone here has played it you can tell just how much more immersive it is to drive in first person then most other racing games or driving games.

Sound is a VERY important thing that can help with immersive. Driving on gravel, pavement and dirt,etc does not sound the same.

When you drive on "loose" terrain (like gravel and dirt, etc) you should hear things kicking up under the car and such. Colin mcrae does this VERY well.

Another thing is actually....having things in the car that should be, instead of simply turning the wheel and mashing the gas. From being able to turn your lights on/off, turning on windshield wipers, among other things like a radio and such. In colin mcrae when it rained/snowed you could see it hit the windshield and your wipers would come on.

I hope and pray that the devs go that extra way in Stalker to make the driving as immersive as it can be and not so bare like most games do.

For example, just a scenario i'd hope to have in Stalker:

You just found an old little car, it's busted up pretty bad. You open the door and it creeks open, you hop in the seat and you try to start the engine, you turn it over and it won't start, you push the gas a few times and try again, the engine sputters a bit and finally it turns over and starts.

As you get in the car a slight rainfall starts to come down. You see very slight sprinkles forming on the windshield and things. You look around the car and find the wipers and turn them on slow and hear the rubber brush against the windshield. Then you turn on the radio. You flip throughthe channels, findly mostly static and crap. Then out of the blue you hit a channel that actually works. You hear people talking, almost like they aren't expecting anyone to hear them, are they military or other stalkers? you listen and get info about them. Slowly you put the car into gear and head off, the mushy sound of the ground from the rain bellowing beneath your floor.

I hope to have that much immersion when I first get a vehicle and try to use it.

I REALLY do wish they wouldn't have took out the gas requirments and fixing cars though, that's a REALLY bad move imo, it's gonna distract from the belief and things. I'd like to have had to look out for my car, not wreck it, etc. and if I did i'd expect to have to fix it or lose it and find another.

Another thing aswell, when you are driving, the camera should be free. So you can look around, left/right, etc with the mouse or whatever. When you load things in the trunk it should affect the weight, more weight and it should affect the handling of the car.
  09:40:20  9 March 2005
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cide
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03/09/2005 9:41:16
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I'd say 1st & 3rd person should be optional, but should be lockable in multiplayer.

I agree about the sound from inside the car. Sound from tall grass and other vegetation scraping along the bottom of the car, and the occasional "thump" of someone's skull...

About the shifting thing: Imagine you've got someone sighted in as you're driving by, you go to fire off a shot, and... Nothing. You've automatically lowered your pistol and are shifting instead. Wouldn't that piss you off? So I'd have to say no on that one.

I hope the vehicle physics are as realistic as possible. I hope you can roll your car. I think a rally racing sim with guns would be just about as badass as it gets. Using my wheel and pedals to drift around corners while using the mouse to pop rounds off at another car would indeed give me a hardon.
Without a wheel, I'd say the option for either a combo of keyboard driving and mouse aiming, or mouse driving and keyboard aiming would be the most logical.
  10:53:51  8 March 2005
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Dark-AI
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03/08/2005 11:15:40
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How the driving system should work...

Getting into a car and individual seats: the players should be able to directly choose which door they want to open and what seat they wish to occupy. a player should be able to go up to the driver-side door, "use" the door, then "use" the seat to sit down.

if the player wants to switch seats... he sould be able to mouselook over to another seat and "use" it to hop over to the other seat so someone else can drive...

Shooting from the car: first off, when driving, a player shouldnt be able to wield an assault rifle in a car, only handguns. a button should be bound that will draw the players weapon. now, mouselook would be just like normal, you look and aim around, with your left hand on the wheel and right with the weapon. your aiming ability is decreased, and your reload time would be increased.

the players looking direction would be limited too, he can look over his shoulder in either direction quite far... but he cant spin his head all the way around in a circle.

and in a car that requires manual shifting (the player wouldnt really have to do it, but the animations would do it for you), the player cant shoot while he is shifting. he can keep his eye out the window on a target, and when he needs to shift, his weapon hand drops down and shifts then comes back up into vision so he can get a shot off. this would add some variance to the cars. the automatics are easier to take shots from, but the manuals (in most games anyways) accellerate faster and are cheaper to repair.

passengers should be able to use rifles and larger weapons.

Driving: the driving system itself should be fairly simple. arrow keys for forward, brake/reverse and turning. maybe a few extra buttons for other functions, turning on and off car addons. lights so at night you can choose whether or not youll want to be seen. handbrake for sliding.

Radio: the player should also be able to play some ambient radio stations... players could dump mp3's or ogg files (like UT2K3) into a folder so they can listen to music maybe?... and have a radio station that broadcasts SOME warnings on the outskirts of the zone. "an anomaly has been spotted ___" - "the military has set up a new post___."

a CB radio to communicate with clan members would be cool too. if you join DUTY, you can chit chat with the guy across the zone, and you can also scan the frequencies to pick up on some other conversations

Repairs and upgrades: repairs shouldnt be TOO in depth. but if you take machine gun fire to the front of your car, you should get radiator problems (like in the getaway). white steam that somewhat blocks your view. and in a while your car will overheat. and when you repair you dont go buy a radiator, you get some generic "engine parts" that you go and repair with.

tires should be realistic though, you shoot a tire, it goes flat and it drives accordingly. and you have to go and buy "tires"... not any specific size... that would be overkill IMO.

you should be able to keep a spare tire in your trunk

Physics and little things: if you and your friends were loading the trunk of your car with artifacts to return for payment, and a blowout happens... you should be able to run straight for the car and take off... leaving the trunk to flap around until you hit a bump sufficient enough to slam it shut. and in the process... anything inside could potentially be bumped out and lost.

the stalkers car keys can dangle and sway from the steering column

you can see his knees as he uses the clutch, accelerator and brake

the passenger and driver can put things into and take them out of the glove compartment

while driving you can open the doors and "use" the ground to bail out, and depending on the speed you take damage accordingly.

rear and side view mirrors should be functional
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you have some good ideas there, as for realistic damage there is good discussion in the "Firing from Vehicles?" thread.

Also for driving controlls the smarter they are organised the better. While driving or in a passenger seat in a vehicle it is a good idea to use keys that normaly used for on foot for functions while in a car or other vehicle.

A lot of people use mouse and keyboard to drive, so making it so all vehicles have a two speed function is a great idea. Forward or backward keys alone would make the car go at a cautious speed, while forward/backward plus the jump key would be pedal to the metal full speed. This feature was present in Operation flashpoint and proved effective, though normal speed was often a touch too fast and full speed wasn't much faster than normal speed, so if this could be done better in S.T.A.L.K.E.R it would add to the driving experiance.

The crouch key would cause you to duck down behind the steering wheel for protection, and passengers could duck further due to not needing to be able to see to drive, this would be usefull for both single and multiplayer, even moreso if the car has armour plated doors to protect the passengers. Passengers would be able to move around on the back seat to some degree, though the movement would be limited to moving from one side of the car to another "On Rails" to help dispell the feeling of being an airfix man glued to the chair.

Another issue would be to have the right feeling and ambience inside the car, if all windows/doors are present and closed sound from outside and the engine sound are muffled realisticly giving the inside of the car a feeling of being separate and sheltered from the cold, wet, windy world outside and listening to the rain tapping the roof and the sound of wind rushing around the vehicle along with the glass becomming wet and water running down it. Those of you who drive or ride in cars will know the feeling. The game relies heavily on atmosphere so this should be important.

It would also be a good idea to fully support different controlls such as steering wheels and pedals (Pedals will be able to use true variable throttle rather than a Two speed keyboard system) with some good force feedback support affected by bumps with front wheels being damaged and even ripped off with strange feelings from missing front wheels.

Any Ideas and Suggestions?
  20:41:13  21 November 2003
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vilbert
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On forum: 11/18/2003
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steering with the mouse means you cant easily look where you want when driving

id prefer accellerating and steering with arrow keys, and having mouselook so i can look where i want while driving.
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Both modes have their ups and downs. Thats why I would want BOTH modes to; Drive easilly with mouse but still see where you were turning and; Look around (for enemy, position, route or to shoot) with mouse and drive with keys.

If you like, you can check my first post from second page (if you haven't already) for more details.
  20:26:56  21 November 2003
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vilbert
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On forum: 11/18/2003
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1st person driving is great. The way I like to play, but if all that it takes is to move the camera angel than lets provide the option for the 3rd person guys too. AND please do not make driving arcadeish. I don't wish for a full simulator but something like Mafia or Operation Flashpoint would be fine but for example the recent Hidden and Dangerous 2's driving sucked a$$.
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Much improved OFP driving with few additions would be great.

I remember mafia having a good driving system, and H&D2 is done with mafia engine. Basically H&D2 steering and vehicle behaviour is okay'ish, but the view from the inside isn't. When you are behind the wheel your head is locked straight forward; mouse don't do anything. You can't see where you are turning to. If you also have other team members in the car you can use their heads to look around (and shoot) from their seats and still operate the car. Unfortunately you can't see outside very well because your view was from so low point. Kind of like childrens' views from a car; lots of interior and sky but little terrain. OFP has the opposite. You can't see much sky or elevated terrain because your view is from so high point in the vehicle.
  20:20:46  21 November 2003
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Doc Jones
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On forum: 10/09/2003
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Neuwe reiqwuest: (vowels rock)

Chainsaw, or gas-powered reciprocating saw.

This way we can get more options on our cars. Sunroof,t-tops,convertable.
  20:02:39  21 November 2003
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-=¤willhaven¤=-
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steering with the mouse means you cant easily look where you want when driving

id prefer accellerating and steering with arrow keys, and having mouselook so i can look where i want while driving.

much like BF1942 and UT2K4 when in first person.
  21:34:42  20 November 2003
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huncowboy
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On forum: 11/13/2003
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1st person driving is great. The way I like to play, but if all that it takes is to move the camera angel than lets provide the option for the 3rd person guys too. AND please do not make driving arcadeish. I don't wish for a full simulator but something like Mafia or Operation Flashpoint would be fine but for example the recent Hidden and Dangerous 2's driving sucked a$$.
 
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