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  20:03:04  16 April 2005
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hotbritish
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On forum: 04/15/2005
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i actually think that is a really good idea, please everyone, it also won't really add to the time it takes to get it out because it won't take much of the progarammers time, other than just plopping it in.
  19:47:58  16 April 2005
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Sgt.Ciof
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are you serious??! i was just thinking "they should make an option for russianvoices and english subtitles" lol
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That's what I want. It will help me too learn Russian which is one of a few languages I want to learn. Although I understand why some people don't want this. My dad doesn't care about stories. He skips cutscenes, conversations. All he cares about is run and gun and good graphics. He's oldschool, he likes the classics like Duke and doom and quake. Simple games. He also has a reading problem (dyslep - u know) so that woul be crap for him. I hope they release it with multiple options on the language subtitle things.
  19:02:03  16 April 2005
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Crucifier
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are you serious??! i was just thinking "they should make an option for russianvoices and english subtitles" lol
  12:17:50  16 April 2005
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Sgt.Ciof
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Plenty of great games that have had English speaking actors in foreign location. Deus Ex would be one that springs to mind straight away, it about suspension of disbelief. What i just cant suspend is the lack of the ability to go prone as this will actually affect the game play whereas the lack of English speaking narative and subtitles will affect my enjoyment. Both of which i find leaves an unacceptable taste in my mouth when i have wait for this game for so long. You'd think the developers could manage what everybody else seems to take for granted.

now now... keep in mind that deus ex isnt a great game... its a good game but definetly not great, the only games wich i can remember thats more glitchy and with more bugs in them than deus ex are halo and deus ex 2

and no halo rocks comments cuz that game sucks bad enough to be owned by ea sports
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Personally I think Deus Ex (first one not the 2) was a great game. I mean I played the game through 3 times with only findin 2 bugs.
  03:20:44  16 April 2005
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hotbritish
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Prone- this cannot be made in the game because of the rought terrain surface on the map, too many gliches occur. It can be added, but it would take 6 months to a year to do, lets not delay the game any longer.


Equiptment - To do this would destroy the point oof a first person *SHOOTER*, some things will be added, they don't plan to leave us with just the three things shown on the site. Night vision will probably be added for one thing, but hopefully cameras and motion detectors will not, because those only support hiding, and not fulfilling objectives.

Voice acting - realism is not faking voice, you are sujesting less realism.
  02:30:21  16 March 2005
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Morotstomten
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On forum: 03/14/2005
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Plenty of great games that have had English speaking actors in foreign location. Deus Ex would be one that springs to mind straight away, it about suspension of disbelief. What i just cant suspend is the lack of the ability to go prone as this will actually affect the game play whereas the lack of English speaking narative and subtitles will affect my enjoyment. Both of which i find leaves an unacceptable taste in my mouth when i have wait for this game for so long. You'd think the developers could manage what everybody else seems to take for granted.
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now now... keep in mind that deus ex isnt a great game... its a good game but definetly not great, the only games wich i can remember thats more glitchy and with more bugs in them than deus ex are halo and deus ex 2

and no halo rocks comments cuz that game sucks bad enough to be owned by ea sports
  02:22:39  16 March 2005
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Morotstomten
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Realism?????
Voice acting - I have heard from your q a that you have no plans to re -voice the the conversations into English and have subtitles instead.
If this is true this will spoil the realism you are trying to create.

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the hell!! are you on drugs or something? i personally dont wanna see a russian male with a vodka bottle in his hand speaking american english with a texas accent. if they use english voices the game is ruined instantly, ok the dealer could be like speaking english with a russian accent on the phone ordering stuff while no one is speaking to him at the most but otherwise there is absolutely no use for english in that area of the world(except for in james bond movies)
  08:30:07  6 March 2005
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Dark-AI
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My Thoughts.


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Realism?????

Please please please address these issues.

Prone - this is a basic combat posture that is adopted by anyone wh comes under fire. It lower your target profile and makes use of the surrounding scenery. Especially helpful if walking through a flat field, down a road or any where that provides little or no cover. Saying that it presents geometry problems is not good enough.

Animations - these need to be great. No ponit is having amazing AI if it can't produce the results for all to see.

Equiptment - Allow the player to approach a situation with a variety of differing means. Having a large equiptment base will allow the player to resort to means other than using guns. (E.g. night vision, motion detectors, cameras etc)

Voice acting - I have heard from your q a that you have no plans to re -voice the the conversations into English and have subtitles instead.
If this is true this will spoil the realism you are trying to create.

I know that you have heard this time and time again from everyone on here but i think that once and for all a devloper should get it right on release rather than endless patches. I am going to say something now that will be very unpopular but if this takes more time then do it. Make this the best game. You have the potential to be bigger abd better than half life. Don't let you and everyone else down.
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I agree on adding prone. The game wouldn't feel complete without the feature, if I couldn't go prone in a Semi-Realistic Tactical survival shooter (Long, but I dont know how else to describe it) it would become fustrating like many of the irritating quirks inherent in Doom III which are listed as follows:

The Marine's armour design was worse than pathetic and even reflected in the gameplay, as when I played through the game the armour was almost always at maxxed at 125 no matter how low the health dropped, which reflects badly on the armour. The armour breastplate itself was probably not at fault, but all it covered was the upper torso and a small portion of the shoulders while the rest of the body was completely unprotected, the arms were bare skin and the gut, groin, legs and upper shin area only protected by flimsy clothing that would shred in a heartbeat and army boots dont add much in the way of protection except in the rare circumstance of ballroom dancing with a clumsy claw footed demon, which did not happen too often as there are no ballrooms on mars-base and no demon would have been willing to partake considering they were too busy trying to eat my marine's completely unprotected face as he had somehow misplaced his helmet which would have been his only other decent piece of armour alongside the breastplate.

A lot more boys would have come home from the Doom III Marine guard if someone decent had been put in charge of equipping them, I personally would have had them kitted out with a one piece complete coverage Tear/Heat/Chemical/Electical insulative temperature controlled garment to replace the conventional clothing. Shin / Leg / Wrist / Arm plates designed to be light and unrestrictive would be permanently attached parts of the garment. The Breastplate would be worn seperately over the one piece suit and would contain the coolant/heater unit for the suit, a quick pipe hookup is all that is needed. The helmet would seal up over the suit's neckpiece and act as a gasmask rebreather and Infra-red Light Amplifcation in the visor HUD, which would be plenty for mere security guard marines.

A setup like that would be cheap for the timeframe Doom III is set in yet they had nothing but junk armour and even weapons missing attached flashlights (Addressed in the duct tape mod thankfully).


Agree on animation, having varied smooth animations is all part of having a high quality polished game which is what I hope S.T.A.L.K.E.R will be when it is finished.

The more different equipment and gadgets the better, as long they well made, are creative, feel right and are fun and usefull.


Im not too eager on the re-voicing, I have enough respect for Russia to support having all the characters in a russian game, set in a location in russia speak russian as it should be. Infact it would be better as it adds to the atmosphere of the game, as long as I can understand fine through well translated subtitles Ill be happy. Im all for English/German/French/Other re-voice overs to be available as an option or as a downloadable addon if the developers find the time, though I'll play the game with the local language and subtitles for realism.

The Russian people have had it hard through history, they were one of the hardest hit countries in WWII, you would have a hard time even imagining the horror of the conditions that some parts of russia suffered between the harshest winters and the war itself. And what is dire even more so is that after the war when the allied countries were helping fund the recovery of warstruck countries is that Germany got far more money than Russia, Russia got shafted, they got hardly any real financial support. And having a corrupted government and rulers that were too busy stealing the money of the people it was supposed to support to really get things straight again and acting more like a facist regime than a communist one coulden't have been much fun to live through. The main problem with Communism is that it is too easy for a corrupt short sighted self centered ruler to exploit the system to their own ends and are too stupid and piggish to see it harms their country and themselves.

Communism can only work with the right people in charge, and it can work far better than capitalism but simply hasn't because the wrong sort have always squirmed into positions of power in the govenment and from there they can cause a great deal of harm due to the way a Communist government works. There is plenty of corruption in capitalist governments but due to the how a capitalist country runs, if the government tries anything OTT similar to what went on with the Old Russian secret police, or outright theft the rest of the county may get p****d off and eat the government alive which is why capitalism works. Makes me wish I was a real Shodan style (Without the Evil, insanity and selfishness of course) Artificial Sentience and could go back and rule Russia myself in Ian Bank's "Culture" style, ahh the Imagination .

Sorry for it being so long. My posts always tend to come in Large , Huge and Quite Staggeringly Massive
  00:47:09  27 February 2005
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cide
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On forum: 02/06/2005
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Options make everybody happy.

(Except exceptionally unhappy people, and people that don't like options.)
  20:23:09  26 February 2005
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beowulfstalker
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it's in Ukraine, not in America. Making everybody speak English in a bad russian accent would be terrible. Russian with subtitles will only make it better
  12:43:14  26 February 2005
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Reaper
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You might say thats your problem???
  10:09:07  25 February 2005
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pdm12003
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On forum: 02/23/2005
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Plenty of great games that have had English speaking actors in foreign location. Deus Ex would be one that springs to mind straight away, it about suspension of disbelief. What i just cant suspend is the lack of the ability to go prone as this will actually affect the game play whereas the lack of English speaking narative and subtitles will affect my enjoyment. Both of which i find leaves an unacceptable taste in my mouth when i have wait for this game for so long. You'd think the developers could manage what everybody else seems to take for granted.
  04:31:28  25 February 2005
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Reaper
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On forum: 01/16/2005
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Brits...Canadians....its set in russia and you want it to be more real....that just doesnt make sense mate. i totaly agree with Wilmer. Also now there is no relese date and its been pushed back two times already so your last statement is kinda pointless
  15:20:38  24 February 2005
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pdm12003
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On forum: 02/23/2005
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Well if they are after a voice actor i'm sure they won't be short of volunteers and who say they have to be American. Plenty of Brit, Canadian infact anyone who can speak english im sure would be up for it. With that many volunteers im sure you could find some good actors
  21:51:40  23 February 2005
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Wilmer
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On forum: 02/23/2005
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Russian accent!


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Voice acting - I have heard from your q a that you have no plans to re -voice the the conversations into English and have subtitles instead.
If this is true this will spoil the realism you are trying to create.

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No it won't. And besides, just having one set of voice actors will lower the risk of crappy voices.
Aren't you tired of always hearing a broad american macho accent?
"Sarge! My name is John, Jack or Joe and I will kill people for freedom!" (They have to say sarge, I bet the American Army has more sergeants than privates)
  14:41:40  23 February 2005
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pdm12003
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On forum: 02/23/2005
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Realism?????

Please please please address these issues.

Prone - this is a basic combat posture that is adopted by anyone wh comes under fire. It lower your target profile and makes use of the surrounding scenery. Especially helpful if walking through a flat field, down a road or any where that provides little or no cover. Saying that it presents geometry problems is not good enough.

Animations - these need to be great. No ponit is having amazing AI if it can't produce the results for all to see.

Equiptment - Allow the player to approach a situation with a variety of differing means. Having a large equiptment base will allow the player to resort to means other than using guns. (E.g. night vision, motion detectors, cameras etc)

Voice acting - I have heard from your q a that you have no plans to re -voice the the conversations into English and have subtitles instead.
If this is true this will spoil the realism you are trying to create.

I know that you have heard this time and time again from everyone on here but i think that once and for all a devloper should get it right on release rather than endless patches. I am going to say something now that will be very unpopular but if this takes more time then do it. Make this the best game. You have the potential to be bigger abd better than half life. Don't let you and everyone else down.
 
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