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  05:51:51  24 January 2005
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sonicbaz
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Can we please get a pistol where you can cock the hammer?

G'day just love to see this in a game, don't think it's been done before!

Always like the thought of coming up behind someone they get to hear the "click" just before you blown them away....hehe

cheers

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  06:07:13  24 January 2005
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Reaper
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Why, thats pointless.....why not just slit their throat.....
  11:12:47  24 January 2005
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Megatrön
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Why, thats pointless.....why not just slit their throat.....
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It would be cool. Like the click clack of a bolt-action rifle or pumping a shotgun.

I'd like a SAA revolver somewhere. But atlas, we cant because gsc did the game wrong.
  15:56:32  24 January 2005
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Lotus
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Why, thats pointless.....why not just slit their throat.....

It would be cool. Like the click clack of a bolt-action rifle or pumping a shotgun.

I'd like a SAA revolver somewhere. But atlas, we cant because gsc did the game wrong.
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Fan the smokewagon!!!
  16:18:58  24 January 2005
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Naaaaa
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Why, thats pointless.....why not just slit their throat.....
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Because stealth kill animations are non existent.
  18:31:53  24 January 2005
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casT
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Reaper
thats not a great thing to ear not even to see
dont even want to imagine what those things are in reality, so moderate your expressions
sorry about anything
  18:40:21  24 January 2005
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x5060
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Can we please get a pistol where you can cock the hammer?

G'day just love to see this in a game, don't think it's been done before!

Always like the thought of coming up behind someone they get to hear the "click" just before you blown them away....hehe

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The Beretta 92, Mackarov, and the Highpower all have external hammers. And there is no point in ever decocking your weapon unless you plan on clearing the weapon. I see no added game play, and no reasonable situation where you would use this.
  20:15:31  24 January 2005
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IceShade
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Like the AI would react in a 'shocked' way anyway.

They'd just turn 180 degrees in .05 seconds and blast you with a headshot.

Well.. at least those are my AI experiences
  04:31:35  25 January 2005
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Doc Jones
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Yeah, it would have to be a scripted reaction no use in SP game.

I can see it as a cool feature of MP. Much like the enjoyment of flanking a Tribes sniper and greating them before you waste them. And that's more animations to add for a *whee* feature.
  23:12:13  25 January 2005
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Reaper
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Because stealth kill animations are non existent.
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yes i know this its in one of the movies....i was a little dissappointed with the animation but its a FPS...meh, im still VERY happy with all the other features.



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thats not a great thing to ear not even to see don't even want to imagine what those things are in reality
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So maybe im just disturbed and maybe this isnt the game for you. I would have liked to see a throat slitting animation but a few stabs to the kidneys is good enough.
  04:23:03  26 January 2005
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Sil3nt-War
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Although i have seen alot worse posting the picture was totally unnecessary. I would edit your post before a mod sees it.

But having an animation when you walk up behind someone for a stealth kill would be good.
  07:47:06  26 January 2005
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Reaper
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Thanks for the heads up Sil3nt-War....
  15:38:15  26 January 2005
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casT
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reaper you assh*** is no t being kiddy maybe im older than you, its about being human
im sure i would have punched you face if you were near me
  17:58:13  26 January 2005
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x5060
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reaper you assh*** is no t being kiddy maybe im older than you, its about being human
im sure i would have punched you face if you were near me
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... if you dont like violence, then why are you here?

This is why i dont believe 12 year olds should have unsupervised access to computers. And if your older than 12, get over it.
  20:21:37  26 January 2005
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Naaaaa
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Best stealth kill was in Thief III: You walk up behind a guy, and Garrett lifts his dagger a bit, if selected, to show you he will silently kill the enemy if you press the attack button now. Then, when you do hit it, he thrusts his knife right into the back of the enemy's neck, and then draws it out again while the enemy is falling, all within the wonderful first person view. Best. Ever.
  23:25:59  26 January 2005
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x5060
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Best stealth kill was in Thief III: You walk up behind a guy, and Garrett lifts his dagger a bit, if selected, to show you he will silently kill the enemy if you press the attack button now. Then, when you do hit it, he thrusts his knife right into the back of the enemy's neck, and then draws it out again while the enemy is falling, all within the wonderful first person view. Best. Ever.
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The best way is, cloth over the mouth, and cut as hard as you can, the upper inner thigh. Right below the crotch. Believe it or not, quitly killing someone is VERY hard to do, and it takes a lot more time for someoen to die from these meathods, than one would think.
  01:00:45  27 January 2005
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Reaper
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Thanks for kinda backing me up there "x5060" and casT its just a game also perhaps you should be a more careful to whom you want to punch in the face coz ppl for whatever reason can carry things like this http://www.imagevenue.com/loc236/046_black_razor.jpg PLEASE do not take this the wrong way (especialy mods ect...) but do not threaten me.

Also x5060 garot wires and knives work very effecively on the neck if used properly personaly i would not try and go for the reigon which you suggested.
  01:10:03  27 January 2005
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casT
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yes i like to have the ability to have a stealth kill in game, wired or knifed, i only complain about to much detail on those things
because its terrible in real life(war or not)
i just go crazy when i imagine those things hapen in reality and i dont like people talking about those macabre things so naturaly
  01:29:19  27 January 2005
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x5060
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yes i like to have the ability to have a stealth kill in game, wired or knifed, i only complain about to much detail on those things
because its terrible in real life(war or not)
i just go crazy when i imagine those things hapen in reality and i dont like people talking about those macabre things so naturaly
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Death is an art.


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Also x5060 garot wires and knives work very effecively on the neck if used properly personaly i would not try and go for the reigon which you suggested.
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Actually any rope of any kind ( as long as its not too terribly elastic) will do
  02:51:17  27 January 2005
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This discussion is really becoming disturbing.
  12:37:55  27 January 2005
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x5060
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This discussion is really becoming disturbing.
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HEHE, I try
  18:24:43  28 January 2005
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Fux0r666
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I suppose that if you were so inclined, after you severed his aorta, you could slit his throat beneathe the larynx. Then you could watch him die at your leisure without fear of screams. I also heard somewhere that if you really give the corroded artery a really deep slashing that the blood will drain out of his head in seconds and he will pass out. This sounds like bs to me, though. I'm thinking you'd have to give him the full-on ear-to-ear jagged smile for anything like that to happen. I think both major blood vessels would have to be severed and draining into the open air for anything remotely like that to happen.
  19:13:20  28 January 2005
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Naaaaa
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I suppose that if you were so inclined, after you severed his aorta, you could slit his throat beneathe the larynx. Then you could watch him die at your leisure without fear of screams. I also heard somewhere that if you really give the corroded artery a really deep slashing that the blood will drain out of his head in seconds and he will pass out. This sounds like bs to me, though. I'm thinking you'd have to give him the full-on ear-to-ear jagged smile for anything like that to happen. I think both major blood vessels would have to be severed and draining into the open air for anything remotely like that to happen.
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No shit . I know that from Thief III's stealth kill the most probable thing to happen is that the victim will have extreme pain in his back and will probably cough his guts out. Best stealth kill IMO, which, I know is hard to perform, is a neck break with one arm on the victim's hand. That way, you get no blood, no scream, instant kill and that cool cracking noise . But with a knife, I do wonder, if you'll slit someone's throat at his *describes that thing that moves when you swallow*, could he even talk anymore? Obviously it would be the best for any kind of game, but in my hope for the stealth kill I didn't necesarilly mean that Thief III's stealth kill is the EXACT way a stealth kill should be performed, but rather that the combination between the enemy's animation and first person view was seamless, and that all games who have stealth in first person should do the same thing (with different weapon, killing animation and enemy physics according to game).

Yes, Donnie, we try our best .
  00:51:04  29 January 2005
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x5060
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No shit . I know that from Thief III's stealth kill the most probable thing to happen is that the victim will have extreme pain in his back and will probably cough his guts out. Best stealth kill IMO, which, I know is hard to perform, is a neck break with one arm on the victim's hand. That way, you get no blood, no scream, instant kill and that cool cracking noise . But with a knife, I do wonder, if you'll slit someone's throat at his *describes that thing that moves when you swallow*, could he even talk anymore? Obviously it would be the best for any kind of game, but in my hope for the stealth kill I didn't necesarilly mean that Thief III's stealth kill is the EXACT way a stealth kill should be performed, but rather that the combination between the enemy's animation and first person view was seamless, and that all games who have stealth in first person should do the same thing (with different weapon, killing animation and enemy physics according to game).

Yes, Donnie, we try our best .
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Unless your a man with biceps of mythic proportions, breaking someones neck is out of the question. The human body is remarkably resistant to blunt force and sharp movement. The best way to "keep it quite" as well as inflict incapacitating pain is, (if im assuuming im commign from behind) Nondominant hand grabs chin and forces upwards. Dominant hand (knife in a dagger like grip)knife over the adams apple, straight in, small twist, leave it in for a second, pull out. let me tell you, that is one hell of an ouchy.
  02:21:57  29 January 2005
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Reaper
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Yea any kinda of cord will work but i was just thinking of the garot wire in Hitman 2 and Contracts...(love that little thing). The neck is extremely hard to break because of all the muscle in it and even if you snuck up behind someone and you really meant to break there neck it is indeed a very hard thing to do (much harder than sam fisher makes it out to be in splinter cell) i dono about "biceps of mythic proportions" but im pretty sure it can be done.
  07:35:31  29 January 2005
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Fux0r666
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Yea any kinda of cord will work but i was just thinking of the garot wire in Hitman 2 and Contracts...(love that little thing). The neck is extremely hard to break because of all the muscle in it and even if you snuck up behind someone and you really meant to break there neck it is indeed a very hard thing to do (much harder than sam fisher makes it out to be in splinter cell) i dono about "biceps of mythic proportions" but im pretty sure it can be done.
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I think a garrot would be okay if you had a little while on your hands to strangle someone to death. It might stop him from crying out, if you're lucky, but it wouldn't stop him from flailing around and fighting with all of his strength. I don't think that this offers enough control of the situation. Really, I don't think there's any movie way to kill someone in absolute silence, and certainly no silent way to kill someone that's going to be clean enough for you to wear their clothes afterwards (a la hitman and many-a-spy movies).

edit: the only avenue I can really think of is administering a paralytic- some kind of acetylcholine antagonist... but how you would administer it would be a problem. paralyzing an adult human requires no small amount of toxin..

Actually, here's a way to do it.. you sneak up behind them with a 9 lbs sledge hammer and you double-axe-handle swing it over your head and strike the top of his skull like you're trying to chord a tree trunk. That would do it.
  17:20:41  29 January 2005
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Naaaaa
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I really don't think it takes that much of bicepial (hehe) strength to do it. To the best of my knowledge, most of the Israeli Sayeret MATCAL spec ops warriors know of good ways to kill silently, one of them being a neck break. Of course, it takes a while to train in the art of neck breaking, but I think that mildly strong biceps and a little training could make you a viable neck-breaker.
A nice kill, a messy one that would require a VERY steady hand - an arrow to the throat. It's really messy considering that it's aimed at the throat, but if you're good enough with a xbow and can hit someone in the neck, I'm pretty sure he'll be down in max 2 seconds and without a sound.
I haven't played Hitman: Contracts, but in Hitman 2: Silent Assassin the garrot was WAY too quite. The victim would still make quite a ruckus (gargles most), and would actually have a pretty good chance of avoiding it.
I have always wondered, though, does shooting someone in the head instantly makes him unable to scream as he takes the bullet to his brain?
  22:06:01  29 January 2005
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Hey people, do you realize that after reading some of posts above some of you may look like profesional hitmans?
Newcomer could be confused if he is really on forum about game .
  07:31:02  30 January 2005
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Ha talking about a gator wire and a few ways to sleathly kill makes you look like a hitman....damn if it was only that easy. A bullet to the brain kills quicker than they make it out to be in the movies.
  13:19:29  30 January 2005
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Hey people, do you realize that after reading some of posts above some of you may look like profesional hitmans?
Newcomer could be confused if he is really on forum about game .
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And who wouldn't wanna hand around online with a few dangerous people ?! I know I would .
  13:19:31  30 January 2005
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Naaaaa
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Hey people, do you realize that after reading some of posts above some of you may look like profesional hitmans?
Newcomer could be confused if he is really on forum about game .
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And who wouldn't wanna hand around online with a few dangerous people ?! I know I would .
  00:47:30  9 February 2005
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Pripyat
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Okay, back on topic. I think it would be awesome to have that!
  12:41:06  9 February 2005
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x5060
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Okay, back on topic. I think it would be awesome to have that!
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*clears throat* If I may quote myself.


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The Beretta 92, Mackarov, and the Highpower all have external hammers. And there is no point in ever decocking your weapon unless you plan on clearing the weapon. I see no added game play, and no reasonable situation where you would use this.

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  07:29:15  10 February 2005
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Reaper
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Ah yes x5060 well done, I totaly agree with you.
 
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