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  05:58:14  13 January 2005
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IceShade
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I like .. mm.. Bofors 40mm. I'll hire a few monkeys to ride it around with in the zone, nothing can stop me!

*Evil sinister laugh*
  08:11:10  13 January 2005
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ulukai
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On forum: 11/04/2004
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Glocks = icky

Do you mean ugly?
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I think he meant "ickie".
  12:07:38  13 January 2005
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x5060
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On forum: 07/23/2003
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I think he meant "ickie".
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I dont like them because its a souless weapon, and they have a higher kaboom rate than anyother weapon.
  14:19:17  13 January 2005
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DrSbaitso
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On forum: 01/11/2005
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Besides it's bullpup configuration and the fact that it's not American, what's wrong with the FAMAS? I've only heard good things about it.
  17:25:18  13 January 2005
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doggydog
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Besides it's bullpup configuration and the fact that it's not American, what's wrong with the FAMAS? I've only heard good things about it.
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Exactly my question too.
  20:55:08  13 January 2005
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On forum: 07/23/2003
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Besides it's bullpup configuration and the fact that it's not American, what's wrong with the FAMAS? I've only heard good things about it.
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I have nothing against foeign weapons and i have nothign against bullpup weapons. I like the SA80, P90, Styer AUG, FN2000, which are ALL foriegn and bullpup.

1) It will not accept USGI standered mags. That means they reinvented the wheel so they didnt have to rely on American made parts. The USGI magazine is considered to be the best mag in production today, it is used by the FN2000, SA80, AR-15/M-16/AR-18, and countless other weapons.

2) the Delayed lever blowback system killed its reliability. There is a reason that this bolt extration system hasent been used in 40 years.

3) No rail system what so ever. So you have to find an adapter if you want a scope and thats assuming they make one for your scope that fits the FAMAS, or if the FAMAS has on that fits your scope. This also means NO forward vertical grips, NO Flashlights, NO attachments of any kind.

4) To field strip the thing you ahve to take it ENTIRLY apart, and its also a lot more complex than it needs to be. So putting it back together is a pain.

I got to mess around with one at a gun show, it was a little bit on the heavy side, but not enough to be considered a negative aspect.
  03:25:40  14 January 2005
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kano
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bring on the glock 19
  10:05:26  14 January 2005
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DrSbaitso
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[link]http://world.guns.ru/assault/as21-e.htm[/link]

The FAMAS come in many different modifications, as well as having provisions for a picatinny or weaver rail system in the handle.
  10:14:06  14 January 2005
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DrSbaitso
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As for the SA-80, here's a "glowing" review from one of its users...

"...In conclusion, I cant say I know what went wrong when the SA-80 was made, the design in theory would appear to be of near kalashnikov simplicity, maybe it is all the fault of the famous British trade unions? For a modern assault rifle, the SA-80 is uncomfortable to carry (especially concerning the position of the cocking handle and its desire to slip into bruising your arm on long tabs), the rifle is too heavy for its size (it even has a weight in the forward hand guard to balance the weapon), and its reliability and general durability are sub-standard to an alarming degree. I have had the mis-pleasure of seeing people breaking off warn top covers and seeing trigger mechanism housing pins falling out near at will. On the other side of things the rifle is marvellously accurate on the range, and so long as it is kept near 100% clean and well oiled it will perform well. However everybody other than the MoD seem to realise that keeping a rifle perfectly clean when in a muddy trench for extended periods of time when it is pissing it down with rain drops the size of hamsters heads isn't exactly practical, the rifle 556 is hardly of kalashnikov quality. Back to the other hand, the various sights for the rifle are all durable and of high quality (I have never heard of a SUSAT getting broken), maybe those chaps at Enfield were making a target rifle after all? In my opinion, although the SA-80 is not as bad as some make it out to be, it is in Britains best interest to replace it with a real rifle asap, maybe keeping the SUSAT's and bayonets. The reason it has gone down so poorly with those who have to use it is probably due to comparing it with the previous issue SLR, whereas the SLR was a lion, the SA-80 is a cockroach (an annoying bugger which you cant get rid of). I would hate to think how our casualties might have looked if we had adopted the SA-80 before the Falklands conflict of 82."

http://world.guns.ru/assault/as22-e.htm
  13:07:22  14 January 2005
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On forum: 07/23/2003
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http://world.guns.ru/assault/as21-e.htm

The FAMAS come in many different modifications, as well as having provisions for a picatinny or weaver rail system in the handle.
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And that requires a COMPLETE replacement of the Upper Reciever. Have fun taking your entire firearm apart so you can put on a rail system. and that rail system is only along the top of the Reciever and is for a scope. again, no laser sights, no flashlight, no vertical grips.


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As for the SA-80, here's a "glowing" review from one of its users...

"Blah blahblah blah blah"

http://world.guns.ru/assault/as22-e.htm
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First of all you shouldent be getting all your information from the russian world gun site. You have to watch what information you get from there because its not always 100%. Try expanding your referances to other site, or dare i say "Google".

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