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  00:08:37  8 January 2005
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Snakeskin
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How could i guess that you were an american? Peh.. not invaded in 1000 years? America has to my knowledge only existed a few hundred years, after slaughtering the natives. Setting an example for other societies, in your dreams.. Do you want to know a country that have not been invaded for quite some time and existed for a while? Sweden.. and according to your president/dictator or wahtever we does not even have an army.. hehe.. besides having some of the worlds best survivor/special units we produce boats of equal or higher quality that those of the US..

And please dont give me that "if it werent for us you would have been speaking german now"-crap like many americans do when they feel cornered, that one is just embarassing.
  00:59:31  8 January 2005
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ookami
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Peh.. not invaded in 1000 years?
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Seems like kind of a trick statement. Colonization was actually kind of an invasion.


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America has to my knowledge only existed a few hundred years
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I guess the generally accepted founding for the USA is 1776. And the idea to call these continents the Americas came about around 1507.
But there is an odd logic to it. I could say that my computer has never caught on fire in 1000 years. It hasn't caught on fire for as long as it has existed and it couldn't have caught on fire before it existed.


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Do you want to know a country that have not been invaded for quite some time and existed for a while? Sweden
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Due to lack of interest perhaps? (I kid, I kid)
  01:30:11  8 January 2005
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Snakeskin
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Yeah yeah.. i agree.. who cares? I dont.. i do not requrie miliraty victories to boost my ego. Just sometimes americans and their america is too much..
  16:59:47  8 January 2005
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How could i guess that you were an american? Peh.. not invaded in 1000 years? America has to my knowledge only existed a few hundred years, after slaughtering the natives. Setting an example for other societies, in your dreams.. Do you want to know a country that have not been invaded for quite some time and existed for a while? Sweden.. and according to your president/dictator or wahtever we does not even have an army.. hehe.. besides having some of the worlds best survivor/special units we produce boats of equal or higher quality that those of the US..

And please dont give me that "if it werent for us you would have been speaking german now"-crap like many americans do when they feel cornered, that one is just embarassing.
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Wow, im not sure if your just dilusional or what, but im not sure what brought this on. I realize your probably just some punk out looking for a fight with an American, but thats ok. Personally i own a few swedish weapons, I love my K31, but the ammunition is kind of hard to find =

Anyway, back to you being a dushbag. Please continue your rant, It reaffirms my faith that you are a completely irrational person.

Trolls arent very cleverly disguised these days i guess.
  17:10:08  8 January 2005
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Snakeskin
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Oh i was so tired, i never really got around to masking it. Have to admit its nice with someone that doesnt buy it the first time, good to know there are people in america not completely brainwashed by all the patriotic stuff, "god bless america" crap and bush´s "war" on "terrorists".
Well, anyway thanks for a resourceful thread. /S
  23:11:25  8 January 2005
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Oh i was so tired, i never really got around to masking it. Have to admit its nice with someone that doesnt buy it the first time, good to know there are people in america not completely brainwashed by all the patriotic stuff, "god bless america" crap and bush´s "war" on "terrorists".
Well, anyway thanks for a resourceful thread. /S
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Actually I believe that Iraq was the right thing to do. Saddam had a list of human rights violations thicker than the dictionary. Its thought that he has killed over a million of hisown people. Thats 10 times the amount from the tsunami in the indian ocean. You may believe that he is a warm, fuzzy, touchy-feely kind of guy, but he has killed 1/20th of the entire population of his country, and enjoyed it.

If you dont like my point of view then you are more than welcome to disagree.

Also, you have now genralized and stereotyped me twice, I can not recommend you do it again.

And god bless America
  02:03:17  9 January 2005
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Snakeskin
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Oh make no mistake, i do not sympatize with saddam hussein. The guy is full of crap and was one of the most oppressing dictators in our time. Although i say the same about Bush, though he is more subtle.
But as you may see, if you choose to see it, Bush´s little revenge/"go for the oil!"/find someone to blame for 911 (how the hell anyone can see a connection??) thingie has gone way out of control with the people in iraq feeling oppressed and many take arms against the oppressors.

This has not been helped by many americans acting superior and childish in iraq. As it is now no solution can be created with military power, but Bush still hasnt drawn the troops out of iraq. Why? Because he was foolish enough not to keep iraq´s police and military intact, and he cannot leave a country to riots. He has fucked up and he knows it. All the while trying to mask the money missing and dollar dropping even lower, by using the "war on terror" to scare americans into supporting him.

There are VERY few outside america that thinks the war was justified, probably because we have more space to think on our own and we are not controlled by FOX news and propaganda here and there.

I could go on about how Bush have made it possible for the already extreme crime and violence in america go up, by allowing automatic weapons, or eliminating people that are against him by making it difficult for them to vote or ever removing their voting rights if they have served time in jail (many low-class citizens and black ppl). Have you seen Michael Moores films or read his books? They are certainly angled and exaggerated aswell but they point to facts that still exist and would doom any politician here in europe. I could go on for a while about Bush and many other things, like gun-toting americans and weapons culture, how the society is controlled by religion and money, how americas leaders only cara about america by for example not signing the kyoto-convention (wtf is up with that!?) and so on.. but i choose not too. If you still want to hear them you can send me a mail. And yes.. God Bless America.. really.. your going to need it. /S

PS. If anyone feel offended by this, please mail me instead of spamming this otherwise useful thread, arguments only thanks.
  09:37:08  9 January 2005
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How could i guess that you were an american? Peh.. not invaded in 1000 years?
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for the record. i'm english.
the last invasion here was in 1066.

so that's not strictly a thousand years, but it's pretty close.
the reason i say arguably, is that i am also british, and the last time britain was invaded was in 1982 at the falkland islands. the scottish have made a couple of incursions over the centuries also, so i'd take that thousand year record with a pinch of salt.

as for saddam? iraq's a tough country to rule.
have the coalition done it any better than he did?
is there less torture or unfair inprisonment now?
less violence?
have ordinary iraqi's stopped being spirited away in the middle of the night never to be seen again?
have the coalition killed less iraqi's than saddam?
have the iraqi's been freed to rule themselves?
do they have more civil liberties under the coalition?
what difference does it make to the iraqi's if they are killed in a civil war or a foreign invasion?
is there a moral distinction between being killed by a roadside bomb, or gunned down by a humvee gunner protecting his convoy?

laughable.



if you were to instead argue that your nations way of life was over extended, and required the control of foreign resources to maintain itself; that a military presence in the middle east was essential to preserving it's power, wealth, security and the expensive lifestyles of it's populace, i would applaud you.


i strongly doubt that in this particular instance "god" would be willing to "bless america".
here is the first of his ten commandments.

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Thou shalt not kill.

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if i were you, i would leave god out of this completely.
  10:00:23  9 January 2005
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baff
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i feel the same way about fragmenting bullets as i do about chemical weapons.
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The comparison is pretty off base. How do you feel about flamethrowers? High Explosive Dual Purpose light cannon rounds? Cluster Bombs?
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cluster bombs is very divisive issue round here.

my country has signed a treaty not to use them. i think it's part of the anti landmines treaty. due to the unexploded ordinance they leave behind after use, maybe.

as usual, i would feel completely differently about any treaties if my country had been invaded. as professional soldiers fighting on foreign soil, we can afford to behave with more restraint. the stakes are not so high. our wives and children are not at risk. we can always go home.
  10:12:20  9 January 2005
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Well, he has made a misconception. There is no rule in the Genevia Convention that STRICTLY says you may not use expanding jacket rounds.
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rule 2 of the geneva convention explicitly refers to expanding bullets as prohibited.


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Rule 2: The use of expanding bullets or materials calculated to cause unnecessary suffering is prohibited.
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