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  09:39:29  9 March 2003
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Crazy_Andy
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Snakes and spiders!!

Ok, we know there are several different types of rats in the zone because of their abilities to adjust quickly to changes in their suroundings. This being the case, then spiders and snakes should also be included in some form as they are high skilled in this area too.

I would love to some sort of gaint snake in the game and the zone in some ways is a good hunting ground for such type of predator. The game has many types of rats and we all know that rats are fast breeders, so what keeping the rats form taking over?

The answer must be a bigger form of predators that is feeding off the rats and keeping their numbers down just enough. In this role, a Bigger the normal snake would be a good idea because it is agile enough to track a rat down nearly anywhere they go. Also it would have to be pretty big because of rat wolves.

It would be pretty rare becasue of it small numbers, it would rarely get chance to breed and becase of its need to hunt alone. I think it would make a very scary foe to come across and the stalkers would have to look out for sign that it is nearby. Maybe shedded scales, fresh regutated bones, makes on the ground and lack of rat activety.

Just an idea !
  03:59:13  10 March 2003
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Jinx Dragon
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I know snakes, but alas not ones in Russia and the likes so I am not sure. First off they wouldn't survive a cold spell very well, even down here the tiger is the only snake able to go to the south areas of Australia. But stalkers is set in autumn, so the cold hasn
  18:22:24  10 March 2003
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Crazy_Andy
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Yeah, Snakes are cold blooded. I was thinking that the species in stalker had been created in a lab as part of what going on and can survie the cold because of the way they been altered. This way they could be a lot bigger then any normal snake and are big enough to constrict a stalker and eat him!!

I like the idea of the anti-vermon, a must for the smaller snakes
  20:03:10  10 March 2003
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XShrike
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The biggest normal snakes can only eat human childern. The can get full grown adults our shoulders are to broad. Why would they makes snakes that could live in cold whether? Sounds like a plot for a "B" movie.

If I remember right from reading one of the offical stories, rats in this live in swarms. These swarms are able to take whole bases too. I cant see one snake being able to hunt rats.

I could see maybe the spiders though. I think if they did this instead of having the generic spider just wondering around maybe they should have Trap Door spiders. You could be walking along watching you scaner for life forms and you see a blip. You look at the area it should be and you dont see anything but, grass. You walk over to invest gate and wham the door opens and the spider attacks. You could make them like on of the zones. The warning signs are all the skeletons left in the little balls that the larger spider leave after eating mice.
  08:18:32  11 March 2003
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Jinx Dragon
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First off I have seen pictures of full adults that have been eaten, I do admit that it
  13:18:28  11 March 2003
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Psychologus
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Jis... guys! Have you ever tried to kill all this stupid litle stuff in a game? Remember Heretic 2 or Daicatana? running everywhere and biting you rats and spiders make game so stupid and unplayble and lost of atmosphere than nothing ever! You have to deal with rats not with the real danger and plot of the game... And you not feel as a hero... RATS, BATS AND SPIDERS ARE ONLY GOOD FOR MAKING AN IMPRESSION OF A LOST PLACE BUT NOT AS YOUR OPPONENTS!!! PLEASEE!!!
Like it was in Kiss psychocircuss where they were not biting you. But flying groups of bats made a good impression.
  16:21:36  11 March 2003
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Jinx Dragon
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Have you read through what we keep saying, the smaller ones, normal ones, would NOT be your enemys. They would be creatures that are just there and aside from populour belief a snake or spider WILL NOT attack you outright. Most will flee if they know your there, remember they can't see you just something huge towering over them. Still you have to watch your step, walking into a poisoness spiders web would make it bite you in defence, stepping on a snake like wise.

These animals wouldn't be enemys and rush to kill you, but they would be out there and if your not carful you can be bitten.
  10:53:53  12 March 2003
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Psychologus
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ok... so I hope you agre with me that fighting with all this small stuff is hmmm... even bad idea for simple shooters not only for stalker.
Yes big creatures like mutated dogs or bears or packs of wolves - yeah... really scaring and if you see them beeing ugly changed with lots of rankling wounds it gives really nice impression. However I wouldn't believe in big spiders or huge rats. It is too much a B movie... How do you think?
  16:19:30  12 March 2003
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Jinx Dragon
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if I came across a tiny snake I wouldn't even waste the bullets, afterall it's not going to hurt you. But a mutent spider the size of someones torso (before limbs are added) might be something to watch out for in the shadows of ruined buildings no?
  22:12:14  12 March 2003
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Do I really need to force you to watch "The Giant Spider in the Well!!!" (Yes, it did have three exclamation marks). Don't over do the 50s Cheese.
  22:50:00  12 March 2003
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XShrike
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However I wouldn't believe in big spiders or huge rats. It is too much a B movie.
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Aren't the rat wolves, huge rats?
  00:19:12  13 March 2003
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Demosthanese
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Aren't the rat wolves, huge rats?
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Not torso sized. More lige Femur sized.
  17:10:35  14 March 2003
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NoNickNameForMe
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"Snakes, why did it have to be snakes?" -Indiana Jones
  19:00:41  14 March 2003
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*metal gear solid* snake, snaaaake, snaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaake!!!!!!!!!!
  19:40:20  22 March 2003
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Crazy_Andy
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Snakes are one of the primary fears of human-kind.

I loved metal gear solid and you can't beat a bit of indy jones!!

Can you see the two meeting!!

Solid snake, it had to be solid snake!!

  09:21:37  29 March 2003
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Controller
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Ugh im with spiders like indy jones is with snakes. Only i hate them about 20 times more.
  12:31:43  29 March 2003
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AlCapucci
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Where do you live: Australia?
  14:43:46  29 March 2003
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Solidfire
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I think you're overlooking the most important thing, a spider that size couldn't happen, it's just not physically possible. The legs wouldn't be able to support the mass of the body, and it would just sit there and twitch until it died. Don't give me the "OMG, it's a radioactive mutant spider, it can do anything!" because the fact is, spiders aren't designed to be big enough to eat a human being. I like the snake idea though.
  17:32:50  29 March 2003
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Jarlabanke
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Spiders 'n' such

I really see no point in including giant anythings, and I really think it could be difficult to make a huge snake lokk somewhat natrual, I mean think about having a huge 20meter snake slowly making its way down a hill, if not done perfectly such a sequence could screw up the whole game. Sure samll snakes and spiders would be ok (and yes they could possibly keep the rat population down as that's what most snakes do in real life, unless you would like to implement huge cats) but I really don't think a normal viper no matter how much radiation could develop itself into a constricting snake (taking in consideration that constrictors are less developped than other snakes it would be even stranger).
  18:51:08  29 March 2003
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Solidfire
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no one said anything about a viper mutating into a constrictor...ever...

And maybe the rat wolves are small wolves, since animals named like that are usually the latter of the two names (i.e. whale shark, tiger snake, etc.)
  19:00:03  29 March 2003
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Jarlabanke
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[quote]no one said anything about a viper mutating into a constrictor...ever...quote]


No, someone said something about large constricting snakes, and as such snakes don't exist around Chernobyl, that's what I assumed that someone ment.
  19:56:42  29 March 2003
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NoNickNameForMe
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There should also be goblins, elves, and dragons. They already added Dwarves and rats so they are just making the game worse by not incuding everything. We should be able to cast magic and use wands and also be able to tame dragons and ride them.
  21:27:12  29 March 2003
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Solidfire
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There should also be goblins, elves, and dragons. They already added Dwarves and rats so they are just making the game worse by not incuding everything. We should be able to cast magic and use wands and also be able to tame dragons and ride them.
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Woot, a LOTR groupie...it's not a fantasy RPG, kiddie.
  04:26:43  30 March 2003
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lol. Can you say sarcasm? Still no giant freakin spiders or snakes. Do you want some of the players to have freaking heart attacks!?!?!
  04:29:48  30 March 2003
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Solidfire
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lol. Can you say sarcasm? Still no giant freakin spiders or snakes. Do you want some of the players to have freaking heart attacks!?!?!
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Have you seen the concept art for the beasties? I'm gonna have a few anyways.
  04:47:10  30 March 2003
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Controller
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Yes i did see some of the concept art and it is freaky. However i dont think that a person who feels nothing about zombies but is scared to death of spiders would enjoy it a lot when he has a 20 foot spider chasing him.

Making a game scary is one thing. Building it off peoples primary fears is another.
  10:39:10  30 March 2003
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Crazy_Andy
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Yes i did see some of the concept art and it is freaky. However i dont think that a person who feels nothing about zombies but is scared to death of spiders would enjoy it a lot when he has a 20 foot spider chasing him.

Making a game scary is one thing. Building it off peoples primary fears is another.
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Why not, a lot of other games have used primary fears already!!

It how it's used in content is what matters!!
  23:34:52  30 March 2003
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Yes i did see some of the concept art and it is freaky. However i dont think that a person who feels nothing about zombies but is scared to death of spiders would enjoy it a lot when he has a 20 foot spider chasing him.

Making a game scary is one thing. Building it off peoples primary fears is another.

Why not, a lot of other games have used primary fears already!!

It how it's used in content is what matters!!
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Well i for one amd scared to death over spiders. I hate those little bastards. Walking into a giant cobweb and being attacked by a giant spider is not my idea of a good time.
  09:06:47  31 March 2003
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Psychologus
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What you are scared in real life is not what you are scared in a game. Huge or smal spiders or rats are not a good idea as your oponents. Heve you ever seen any hero fighting with big spider? (instead of a class C movie). The only way it can be implemented is how it was done in Indiana Jones series - a room filled with thousands of such slowly mooving snakes.... But not snakes fighting with you (not saying about them thinking and planning - like ratwolves planned by the crew)
  03:08:36  1 April 2003
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Jinx Dragon
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I would be more worried controller if it was your idea of a good time.

Ok, putting aside the huge argument. Snakes and spiders SHOULD still be part of the zone. They would be there, well maybe not snakes but it is ment to be autum and some snakes might be out. They don't have to be deadly at all if you don't want them to be but not all creatures in the zone would be a threat to people and wildlife would still exist in there.
  04:10:57  1 April 2003
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NoNickNameForMe
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Ambient wildlife is a great idea, and there is no reason it shouldn't be implemented. At least beyond the birds we have seen.
  11:13:54  3 April 2003
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Psychologus
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Ambient wildlife is a great idea, and there is no reason it shouldn't be implemented. At least beyond the birds we have seen.
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Yes I agree. Ambient life gives the sensation of the zone living its own life. It is something different than real enemies. It would be quite climatic to hear some noise in a bush at night! What was that? Should I check it? Was it something big or just a rabbit? Good idea. Even if you encounter a snake it won't bite you if you don't tread on him. It is just an animal.... It has to behave like an animal. It will just slide to nearest hole in a wall or something but you will be scared enough and carefull because if there is some more of them and you will not be carefull enough... In a narrow dark corridor it is not very nice thing to walk through the snakes even thou they dont plan how to surround you and kill (the same way as they don't talk about last seen movie ) Make them to be scaring like in Indiana Jones - hissing, staying up and widening the head (i dont't know how to say it in english but I hope you know wha I mean - the cobra style), opening the jaws and frightening you before they bite. Just an animal life form.
The same should concern the rats.
  14:35:23  3 April 2003
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Jarlabanke
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Make them to be scaring like in Indiana Jones - hissing, staying up and widening the head (i dont't know how to say it in english but I hope you know wha I mean - the cobra style), opening the jaws and frightening you before they bite. The same should concern the rats.
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Ok, I admit I cut a bit of it out but it would be so fun with poisonspitting rats on their hindlegs.
  09:51:17  4 April 2003
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Jinx Dragon
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Misconseptions

First off not every snake has a hood like a cobra, and I don't think there are any in russia that have a hood. Second only a rare few snakes spit thier poison, most inject it, so I don't think it would be something we see in russian bred snakes.

Pitty they arn't Aussy snakes, no snake down here has 'needle' like fangs. They dribble thier poison down a grove in the fang. This means alot of boots or cloth can stop most, not all but most, of the poison from entering the body... still seek aid, just in case, and don't try to capture the snake as thats more dangerous and the medical facilitys can just run a test and give you the right anti-venum with alot more ease.

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Wild life, I am all for. Allow the zone to really come alive, more then the birds, with animals that will behave like animals... mostly running from people.
  10:26:31  4 April 2003
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Tomosaki
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There should also be goblins, elves, and dragons. They already added Dwarves and rats so they are just making the game worse by not incuding everything. We should be able to cast magic and use wands and also be able to tame dragons and ride them.
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You mixed up something. Goblins, elves and dragons are extinct and they are not mutants. Go and play Lord of the Rings.

It hasn`t been reported that they ever lived somewhere. And they are from the dark age, not from the present world. Those are forgotten creatures and there is no need to duplicate them in another game. The game would also lose it`s point and it would look like a ferrytail when adding those creatures in. They should make creatures we have never seen before or those we heard for them but they have never became so famous because they are relativelly new. Thing that should be in are:

- dark dog
- mothman
- poltergeist
- 5 legged boars
- 2 headed anomalies
- 3 winged bat or something
- chupacabras

In three words: creatures without shape! We are used to rats, snakes, spiders.....the same ideas are used all over again. And that makes them not interesting. We want anomalies. On that is the game based on. But not anomalies such as bigger "something", but anomalies that aren`t anything.
  20:03:09  15 September 2005
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ZeroCommand
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Realism kicks into place. Big snakes that are amazingly big is possible but a mental note of realism for spiders. SPIDERS HAVE NO SKELETON. Gravity would crush them if they got to be the size of your torso let alone ur head. Exo-Skeletons have a fine limit. If the stalker people are seriously into realism this would already be noted. It is impossible no matter what.
  06:13:43  16 September 2005
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There should also be goblins, elves, and dragons. They already added Dwarves and rats so they are just making the game worse by not incuding everything. We should be able to cast magic and use wands and also be able to tame dragons and ride them.
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This guy is Fuxor666's MOTHER.
  08:15:28  16 September 2005
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There should also be goblins, elves, and dragons. They already added Dwarves and rats so they are just making the game worse by not incuding everything. We should be able to cast magic and use wands and also be able to tame dragons and ride them.

This guy is Fuxor666's MOTHER.
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I'm confused.
  13:58:47  16 September 2005
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M-Totenkopf
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i am sooo confuse.
  17:55:50  16 September 2005
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ZeroCommand
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Can we please stay on topic?
  01:05:50  17 September 2005
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This guy is Fuxor666's MOTHER.
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Wow, where the hell did that come from?
  10:23:51  17 September 2005
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ZeroCommand
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Please stay on topic. Anything not topic related can be sent in a PM. Also a gaint snake wouldn't last long in the zone. To many swarms of creatures with speical abilites.
  17:28:53  19 November 2005
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to stay on the topic rats can be eaten by cats and dogs who are either crazy or very very very hungry and for the snakes it's just impossible to be any arround there because as someone mentioned it's just too cold for them there(in our country there are 2 snake types(we have borders with ukraine) and they are both small and dont attack people the first one strangles its victim and the second one injects venom(from what i heard only 1 man died from that venom in 50 or more years))
 
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