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  08:07:50  31 May 2009
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Kaine
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On forum: 04/05/2007
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Holden I forgot to add:

I stumbled across this on youtube recently:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfxUlOMeb8w

I don't know if you're looking for new music or if this has been snapped up by another team or something, but I thought it was definitely worth checking out.
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Looks like Holden is onto it mate
  09:57:12  31 May 2009
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Holden
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On forum: 05/21/2009
 

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Holden
05/31/2009 10:02:05
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Current Tasks
As of now, our team is in testing phase, and we're working to complete some of the work as follows:

* Conflicts with AI responding incorrectly to fog conditions
* Incorrect weather transitions caused from the randomized weather cycling script
* General polish issues
* Creating corresponding icons for new player model textures
* Creating new textures for weapons such as the HK416, and other Arsenal additions that need roughing and dirtying in order to fit in with the other weapons
* Balancing weight system, inputting accurate cartridge weights
* Finishing the final NPC Loadouts
* Finishing ballistics for handguns, shotguns, small machine guns, and sniper rifles
* Configuring proper difficulty scaling for different settings such as Stalker, Veteran, Master
* Creating new menus
* Balancing sneaking parameters
* Fixing weapon descriptions
* Adding a few more weather cycles
* Other issues we may not have encountered

The game hasn't been fully tested, so there are bound to be more conflicts we haven't encountered as of late. I can't give a definitive release date to do the goals that are constantly subject to change, and the quirky AI that presents various issues that have been encountered from the new overhauled AI structure.

Goals Following Release:
As you can plainly see from screenshots, more prevelant in some then others, the weather has been completely overhauled from the ground up, utilizing a dynamic weather system, shifting different weather cycles that consist of 24 hour transitions randomly throughout the day:

http://media.moddb.com/images/mods/1/13/12990/XR_3DA_2009-05-30_01-34-07-64.jpg
http://media.moddb.com/images/mods/1/13/12990/XR_3DA_2009-05-29_03-59-06-89.jpg
http://media.moddb.com/images/mods/1/13/12990/XR_3DA_2009-05-28_01-44-06-96.jpg



Each image as depicted here is representative of a completely different 24 hour weather cycle that is randomly transitioned throughout the day. While this feature is familiar to those with Weather Overhauled 3.0, you'll recognize that all of the weather variables have been completely overhauled in order to find a balance between aesthetic appeal, and realism. The skybox textures are from Panoramic mod, which has the most desirable look, and provides distant skybox landscape texture art to creates a simulated draw-distance enhancement, and increases the visual quality ten-fold.

I have no doubts that L.U.R.K. in its current state far surpasses any other Stalker Overhaul from an aesthetic standpoint, in an almost objective fashion, albeit impossible to view from such a standpoint. The screenshots do not lie, and I can assure you that every moment will be picturesque, or it won't exist in L.U.R.K. at all.

However onto the main subject, what I plan to do under these pretenses following release. The weather transitions provided from SWO provide a dynamic experience, however the flaw resides in how it functions on a day to day basis. Skyboxes fade in and out on an almost hourly basis, creating an unappealing effect during transitions points, lack of sunlighting provides a sterile unappealing effect during many weather segments in certain weather cycles, and the weather transitioning provides a sperratic feeling when weather transitions through cloudy, rainy, clear, and stormy all in one days time.

While this masks the monotony of one simple weather cycle from vanilla Stalker, and other weather mods that pride themselves on visual appeal such as the custom configuration from Stalker Complete 2009, it tends to create a fake form of diversity, which I plan to negate from memory.

One of the main focuses of L.U.R.K. from a gameplay standpoint is to create an extremely satisfying, depthy, lengthy, polished, and refined experience that people would refer to as an objective improvement. Preserving the core elements of Shadow of Chernobyl is important, however changes needed to be made in order to create a dynamic experience, such as the incorporation of enhanced A-Life, diverse encounters, diverse spawns, and a rewarding and challenging experience that rewards resourcefullness, intelligence, skill, all under a strong foundation of polish and features.

Of course a feature that L.U.R.K. prides itself on is the staple that has been strived for and failed countless times, which is stealth AI, which creates a completely new experience that validates the very title of the game. Much skepticism arose from my claims, however testers agree, that Stealth is here to stay, and it's better then ever, introducing new features unheard of in any other mod, such as dynamic light visibility:

http://www.xfire.com/video/bcd6a/
http://www.xfire.com/video/bec8e/
http://www.xfire.com/video/c4477/

However as stated before, conflicts still arive from a feature that is subject to so many different visibility factors. The base release might be the released under the pretense of comprimise, but I nonetheless implore those of you who encounter such issues to report them to me, I would ask that you isolate them as L.U.R.K. specific before you do so.

Now lets get back to the original idea under the bold underlined text before I skew my writing on another tangent. One of the concepts behind L.U.R.K. is to enhance the dynamic and depthy aspect of Stalker, and how might I improve upon such an aspect? Well understanding the concept of dynamic light visibility would make it clear that different lighting circumstances effect the way the game is played, and these variables are subject to change based upon weather, which aside from the obvious aesthetic standpoint, how do we improve upon this?

Well the answer is simple, a completely overhauled weather system, that will use these concepts as the main push towards our philosophy for development. An unprecendented that will take the basic concepts of dynamic weather, and build upon the aesthetics, the diversity, and the gameplay beyond that of anything you've experienced.

The current weather build is unsurpassed visually, but the idea is to compile upon it exponentially by adding a vastly higher array of weather cycles, that would increase the current composite of 7 cycles, and expand upon it to something as high as 50. Of course you may be curious as to why that would be feasible given the current resources.

Vanilla weather, as well as all respected weather mods follow the concepts laid out by GSC. In general the weather transitions hourly, skyboxes shift almost constantly during the day, creating an ugly transition effect as mentioned before, and the weather changes far too consistantly in one day's time. This option was obviously spurred to create a dynamic experience, however my concept is as follows:

* A myriad of different weather configurations exponentially higher then ever seen before
* One rotating skybox per-day, negating the transitioning issue, with exception to the transition into nights and mornings
* Distinct suncast in each different weather cycle, more prevelant during sunsets and sunrises
* Multiple layered cube maps that allow skybox rotation without rotating distant landscape
* Less sperratic weather changes
* More transition point within each weather cycle for smoother cycling

In other words, the most realistic, depthy, and appealing weather cycle that you'll ever see. However until then, you'll have the cycles as depicted within the images seen so far for the base release. The current goal is to make the strongest foundation around for Stalker, from then on we can decide to branch further from this base.

Future Goals:

Depending on how long it takes us to create the definitive base for Stalker, we plan to incorporate levels from the 1935 build, from Clear Sky, and from the upcoming Call of Pripyat game. However when this will be implemented is another thing entirely. We may decide to work on it ourselves if we finish our base quickly, however if it doesn't occur before Fall then we will adopt the work from AMK 2.0 and use that as a simplified base for work. Please don't confuse the base I'm referring to as the base for release, there will have an initial release upcoming soon.

Questions, Comments, Suggestions, and Recruitment:
As a friendly reminder, we're looking for any questions, comments, suggestions, and willing recruits, of course there are prerequesites for each. For questions I must ask that you inform yourself of L.U.R.K. to the best of your capabilities before you pose any inquiries, suggestions are only taken if you believe it will expand upon or improve the goals we've set to achieve, and recruitment requires skills beyond simple testing. We've got enough testers and I'm going to have to deny any of those who wish for a testing position who don't carry other traits that would be deemed usefull for our project.

Thank you for reading, and I hope I've given you more insight on the project and what it entails, at this point the distant horizon is still hazy, however we're making progress to reach our long-term goals.
  13:37:30  31 May 2009
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Kaine
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On forum: 04/05/2007
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* Less sperratic weather changes

It's "sporadic" There's a few others but that one sticks out

Sounding and looking very good. Can't wait to try it out. Please please please tell me you've changed the way medkits work. Insta-healthkits would be a deal breaker for me.
  18:27:15  31 May 2009
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Florence
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Rebalanced got the medkits right.
  18:33:05  31 May 2009
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shifter
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On forum: 06/20/2008
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Holden

Future Goals:

... we plan to incorporate levels from the 1935 build, from Clear Sky, and from the upcoming Call of Pripyat game.

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which game will you use for the world layout? i think it is good that CoP will have the main areas 'around the right way'. i wonder if the Sun will set in the East or West? none of this has a big impact really, unless GSC envisage the Zone spreading worldwide

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Kaine. deal breaker? that wish is definately something that could be mini-modded into a game. how about using an artifact for what you want?

there is practically zero balancing needed for trickle-charge health to exist in a game. i say this because of the near-redundancy of medkits once a game gets rolling.

i also say this because instant healing only counts for a lot for those that play carelessly, hotkey their medkits/bandages and just spam their way through.

someone who does that is going to immidiately unmod the trickle-charge medkits and forge ahead, FTW, ownerizing the Zone!
  01:53:42  1 June 2009
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rikiiy
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On forum: 05/22/2009
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Would it be possible to put in a freeplay choice?


Also, what are the recommended specs for running the mod at playable fps?

Fantastic posts btw holden Some of the best I have seen from a mod for ages.
  06:26:07  1 June 2009
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Psycho Sonic
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On forum: 05/21/2009
 

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I'm gonna make a request here since I've run into a dead end. It's regarding changing the aiming offsets of weapons.

[link]http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h32/Psycho_Sonic/ss_brandon_05-29-09_01-02-39_l01_es.jpg[/link]

This is for weapons that use the GP 35 grenade launcher add-on, and only happens when that add-on is activated. It happened when the orientations were changed for weapons, and now when in grenade mode they point at upward at a 45 degree angle. I've tried everything I can think of, including the code in other outset-related mods, and I can't figure out how to get the gun level again. Can anyone help us out?

NOTE: lol, please forgive the static lighting. Holden gives me a hard enough time about it.
  15:19:32  1 June 2009
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dezodor
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On forum: 04/08/2007
 

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install the 2215 mp beta, where the hud_adjust_mode still works, and you can calibrate the hud position easily with WSAD QE buttons, then with P button the values appear in console.

edit: this only works in aiming mode, so you need to press down right mb while you set the stuff...
  17:10:46  1 June 2009
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notanumber
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On forum: 03/22/2008
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Holden, do you have any suggestion as to how the dynamic weather system used in DW and SWO3 could be improved? E.g. is the transition frequency too high in general or perhaps a more stateful weather change system is required?
  18:03:54  1 June 2009
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trojanuch
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On forum: 04/08/2007
 

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trojanuch
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Holden, do you have any suggestion as to how the dynamic weather system used in DW and SWO3 could be improved? E.g. is the transition frequency too high in general or perhaps a more stateful weather change system is required?
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That is just untill they are eventually 'negated from memory' by the sheer awesomness of LURK weather


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* Multiple layered cube maps that allow skybox rotation without rotating distant landscape
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Well - this one is interesting. Could you be more specific on implementation method?
 
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