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  00:06:02  29 June 2013
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Meltac
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graphics trouble with GeForce GPU

Hi!

I just replaced my GTX 260 graphics adapter with a GTX 560 Ti to have a little FPS boost (manufacturer is EVGA).

Unfortunately the new GPU generates graphical glitches/artifacts that the old one didn't. It's extremely obvious in the ported CS marshes map:

http://rghost.net/47088220.view

Any ideas what might be causing this behavior?
  01:17:58  29 June 2013
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graphics trouble with GeForce GPU

Hi!

I just replaced my GTX 260 graphics adapter with a GTX 560 Ti to have a little FPS boost (manufacturer is EVGA).

Unfortunately the new GPU generates graphical glitches/artifacts that the old one didn't. It's extremely obvious in the ported CS marshes map:

http://rghost.net/47088220.view

Any ideas what might be causing this behavior?
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What driver version are you using? Is it the same one you were running your 260 on because if not you should try going back to that one and see if it makes a difference.

Also, have you checked your GPU temp when these artifacts show up?

There was a problematic Nvidia driver that was released a while ago that actually ended up destroying some people's cards.

It was 196.75 so if you have that one installed get rid of it asap and replace it with a different version.
  03:50:30  29 June 2013
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Nvidia and Stalker

I've been through several Nvidia cards. Go to the Nvidia control panel and set the following for the Stalker options: Antialiasing Transparency - Multisample; Negative LOD bias - Clamp; Trilinear Optmization - OFF; Triple Buffering and Vertical sync should be ON. These settings have always increased stability and visual quality for me on every Nvidia card I've owned. Also I prefer to turn gamma correction OFF.
  04:00:38  29 June 2013
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Reseat card in the bus
Try different drivers
Is fan turning on the card
Make sure card is not overheating
If problem persists RMA that puppy
  16:08:57  29 June 2013
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Thanks for your suggestions, guys. Unfortunately I'm still having the issue.

I updated the driver with is now in version 320.18 (latest I think). Temperature is fine, fans are turning as well. Also tried the nvidia settings suggested by ERForman but they didn't help either. Reverted to and old shader version, just to be sure, but same there.

Any other thoughts? ? I'm stuck...


EDIT:
I've also tried setting clock back from 900 to reference clock 822 but no change either.
  16:49:43  29 June 2013
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maybe its broken?an old card of mine (from nvidia too) made the same graphic bugs as yours does shortly before it was gone completely, do you have the same problems on other games or specificly on stalker?
i would try to exchange the card for a new one where you bought it, if it is not too old for that.
  17:15:15  29 June 2013
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meanwhile I read that white/black foliage is a known bug in SoC coming up on several GPUs. It must be related to AA transparency or some other nvidia setting, but since I already tried ERForman's optimized settings with no luck I'm not sure where to start looking now.
  17:57:54  29 June 2013
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You might want to try installing the beta driver 320.49 for your card. 320.18 is the latest wqhl driver but it caused me texture problems and ctd when playing SoC. Some say it ran good for their system but ive seen more bad than good with the 320.18 drivers.. Also unless you are using 3D, i would do a custom install and uncheck the 3D vision drivers. Check the box for a perform clean install too. Its worth a shot.
  18:26:36  29 June 2013
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Thanks, tried that beta driver but that didn't change a thing.

One other strange thing is, the first time I ran the game with that new GPU I got about twice as much FPS as I'm getting now after all those settings/drivers changes. Even reinstalling cleanly everything doesn't give me the initial performance anymore. Now it's only about the level of my old GTX 260! Also upon the first launch the fans started turning very loud what does not happen now anymore. What is that behavior supposed to mean?
  18:47:35  29 June 2013
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Thanks, tried that beta driver but that didn't change a thing.

One other strange thing is, the first time I ran the game with that new GPU I got about twice as much FPS as I'm getting now after all those settings/drivers changes. Even reinstalling cleanly everything doesn't give me the initial performance anymore. Now it's only about the level of my old GTX 260! Also upon the first launch the fans started turning very loud what does not happen now anymore. What is that behavior supposed to mean?
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Id suggest going here for some good advice, http://forums.guru3d.com/ or here, http://hardforum.com/ Im sure someone can help you if no one here can help you with the card. Ill do some more research tonight to see if i can help you further.
  18:48:52  29 June 2013
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One other strange thing is, the first time I ran the game with that new GPU I got about twice as much FPS as I'm getting now after all those settings/drivers changes.
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Power supply not enough for card? An 500-600w quality design PSU required.
  19:27:33  29 June 2013
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We really do need to know what power supply you have.
Also, what resolution does your monitor support?
The newest driver is mostly for the new 700 series of cards...I use the 314.22
GTX 470
  16:46:18  30 June 2013
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Your 560 Ti should work fine without hassles. The only catch I know of is that you should make sure to perform a "clean" install when installing the new driver (there is an option in the driver installer setup menu for this). You only need to install the driver and the physx driver. You won't need nvidia update, the 3d vision driver, or the hd audio driver (unless you use your hdmi out to drive sound too). After installation, you shouldn't need to change *any* settings in the nvidia control panel. Most games should work great with default settings.

If they don't, then you have either a bad OS install, or a bad card.
  18:47:30  30 June 2013
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Thanks for your suggestions, guys. Unfortunately I'm still having the issue.

I updated the driver with is now in version 320.18 (latest I think). Temperature is fine, fans are turning as well. Also tried the nvidia settings suggested by ERForman but they didn't help either. Reverted to and old shader version, just to be sure, but same there.

Any other thoughts? ? I'm stuck...
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I always.
Uninstall, reboot into safe mode, run driver sweeper and select Nvidia graphic drivers, reboot normally. Then run ccleaner, install Nvidia, select clean installation and only tick the gtx driver.
http://www.techspot.com/downloads/4266-driver-sweeper.html
http://www.piriform.com/ccleaner
Hope it helps.
  22:52:17  30 June 2013
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Many thanks for all those replies

To clarify: The artifacts I was talking about are not the same sort of artifacts one gets when the card couldn't handle the requested performance - as it happens when over OCed or lack of power/voltage.

My issues only showed up on the borders/edges of the game's foliage (plants/bushes) whereas the rest of the image was clear and full ok. What means that the issue's source must be some unsupported or bad implemented GPU setting/feature, rather than a system-related problem. That's also why all those system clean-up / re-installing / driver updating procedures you described didn't work for me.

So, disabling all nvidia 3D options made this white issue disappear, that's already good news.

But, the performance is still only on the level of the GTX 260, and I'm not able anymore to get the FPS I had when running the first test after installing the 560Ti. So I know the GPU could give more performance but for whatever reason it doesn't.

Any ideas what that is supposed to mean? Is the card damaged or is there something limiting the performance it provides, and how would I be able to test that?

EDIT:
I have a fairly good thermaltake PSU, not sure of the exact specification, but I had checked before buying the 560Ti so the power should be fine.
  23:47:01  30 June 2013
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You should look to see what the amps is to the +12volt rail. That is what drives the video card and is MOST important. How many watts it is don't mean much. The 560ti is about the same as my GTX 470 and it does need some serious amps to the +12volt rail...as much as 26 or more....
can't fully remember. This needs to be cleared-up before you worry about software problems. In some ways, the PSU is the most important part of your gaming system and it can cause all kinds of weird problems if the power is just a little too low (even if it still works).
  00:56:13  1 July 2013
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Just a bit of info related to the threads title. If you enable vertical sync then your FPS will be capped at 60, which I recommend for Nvidia cards because during the main menu, the FPS can go into the thousands and this can kill your card. It didnt work in SOC, possible to force through control panel perhaps but we have re-enabled it for LA and it works a treat.

PS: I had a slightly similar issue in SOC once, almost a texture swapping issue, turned out to be memory problems. just throwing it out there as another thing to check
  02:00:59  1 July 2013
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Just cross-posting this from another forum I frequent where someone mentioned having some artifact issues:


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I think Nvidia has recommended people using the latest drivers (and having problems) roll back to the last stable 314 WHQL drivers. I've been using the 314.22's for a while now and haven't had so much as a hiccup with them, but the 320 revisions all gave me issues of some sort in my games (freezing, unstable overclocks, artifacts).

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Might be worth taking that advice.
  10:28:17  1 July 2013
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Thanks, but as mentioned before the artifacts issue is more or less solved now (I only need to check which of the disabled nvidia settings was the trouble maker).

What still is a problem is the performance. I'm not talking about a FPS limit of 60, but around 17 FPS !!! Also in the main menu I'm having only 24 FPS - as said before, that's about the same as I previously had with my GTX 260. Ok, that's with all my heavy shader stuff enabled, but even when using the vanilla shaders instead I'm not getting much more FPS.

One thing that came to my mind lately: When I tested first after having plugged the 560Ti, I had gotten around 34 FPS (twice as what I'm getting now) - that was without a clean installation, I just ran the driver CD.

Then, after getting those artifact things, I decided to update to the latest stable driver, and the FPS dropped to half of the initial value. After I did all those clean-up, uninstall, clean re-install etc. procedures, but the performance did not get better anymore.

So I suspect that must have been "something" (e.g. driver component or setting) of my previous GTX 260 installation that helped giving the right performance in the first place, whereas after the clean driver installation this "something" was gone, and I never got the proper performance anymore since then...

Any thoughts on that?
  13:49:07  1 July 2013
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I have the same kind of GFX card, and i have not noticed any graphical glitches. I use the latest drivers from Nvidia.
When I update the drivers I always choose to do a clean install.

Could you post your system specs in a little more details?
  15:27:11  1 July 2013
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Could you post your system specs in a little more details?
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Intel i7 940 QuadCore, 16 GB Patriot RAM 1600MHz, Gigabyte MB, Thermaltake 550W PSU, HD ? (no SSD), Samsung 24'' LCD 1920x1200, Windows Vista Ultimate 64bit.

What else do you need to know in specific?
  20:50:20  1 July 2013
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Could you post your system specs in a little more details?

Intel i7 940 QuadCore, 16 GB Patriot RAM 1600MHz, Gigabyte MB, Thermaltake 550W PSU, HD ? (no SSD), Samsung 24'' LCD 1920x1200, Windows Vista Ultimate 64bit.

What else do you need to know in specific?
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I would say the PSU seems a bit underpowered for the system. Even if it is within the recommended minimum requirements, I still thinks that it will not give enough juice to power the system properly.

I remember when I was running Vista64 bit, I had numerous problems with the S.T.A.L.K.E.R. games (SOC & CS).
  21:36:52  1 July 2013
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Could you post your system specs in a little more details?

Intel i7 940 QuadCore, 16 GB Patriot RAM 1600MHz, Gigabyte MB, Thermaltake 550W PSU, HD ? (no SSD), Samsung 24'' LCD 1920x1200, Windows Vista Ultimate 64bit.

What else do you need to know in specific?

I would say the PSU seems a bit underpowered for the system. Even if it is within the recommended minimum requirements, I still thinks that it will not give enough juice to power the system properly.

I remember when I was running Vista64 bit, I had numerous problems with the S.T.A.L.K.E.R. games (SOC & CS).
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No offense, but without knowing how old the PSU is and the Amps for the 12v rail you have no way of knowing if it's not enough. In fact I would imagine as long as it's a half-way decent PSU 550w is plenty for a 560ti.

Looking at the current Thermaltake PSU that is 550w that is single-rail, it has 42A on the 12v rail which is more than enough. I don't consider Thermaltake one of the better PSU makers but it should still be fine and I doubt it's causing the problem.

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Meltac, I think you received the best advice earlier from someone who said you should try Guru3D or something. I really wouldn't trust these particular forums for computer advice.
My next recommendation would be the somethingawful.com forums if you're willing to pay a 1-time $10 fee to get in (it's a way of making sure dumb people don't get access to the forum, they get weeded out pretty fast).

Also, since your issues are now just performance related, do you have any games like Battlefield 3 or something? You could try an intensive non-Stalker game to see if maybe it's just unique to the Stalker games for whatever reason.
  23:53:10  1 July 2013
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As for the PSU related discussion, I was wrong when saying mine was 550W, in fact it's 750W, so unless some rail is broken it should be pretty enough for that GPU I'd say.

I registered on both mentioned forums but didn't have access rights to start a new thread after registration, even after activation! Sucks.

I'll check the other mentioned options and let you guys now.

EDIT:
re-seating the card didn't help. Also checked the PCI-E plugs and they're connected as they should. Might it be that one of those PCI-E rails is broken so that the card doesn't get enough power?
  04:12:47  2 July 2013
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As for the PSU related discussion, I was wrong when saying mine was 550W, in fact it's 750W, so unless some rail is broken it should be pretty enough for that GPU I'd say.

I registered on both mentioned forums but didn't have access rights to start a new thread after registration, even after activation! Sucks.

I'll check the other mentioned options and let you guys now.

EDIT:
re-seating the card didn't help. Also checked the PCI-E plugs and they're connected as they should. Might it be that one of those PCI-E rails is broken so that the card doesn't get enough power?
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I suppose a broken PCI-E is possible. I wonder if there's any sort of program that can detect the amount of power you're getting to your GPU. There probably is.

Anyways, you registered on the somethingawful.com forums? Same username?
Once you get your video card issues sorted out (they're great, they'll figure it out for you) head on over to the Stalker thread which is semi-active (I go by "Swartz" on there, my avatar is a guy crying ): http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3482049

I'm surprised you're not able to post yet, it should be instant. Maybe there's a 24-hour waiting period to make sure you read the rules or something.
If you have trouble past 24 let me know and I'll contact an admin to get you fast-tracked.
  04:35:51  2 July 2013
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Another good forum for help, http://www.overclock.net/ Just another thought, maybe try another PCI-E plug or it can be a throttling issue with your card. Sometimes the stupidest thing can be the culprit, i would visit some forums though. Hell the people from Hardforum basically built my PC for me, found me sales and free shipping on some of the parts, its nice to have people that actually want to help you for nothing. All i did was gave them a price range.
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As for the PSU related discussion, I was wrong when saying mine was 550W, in fact it's 750W, so unless some rail is broken it should be pretty enough for that GPU I'd say.
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Sorry mate, but the 750W is very low. You need more Power supply. And please, make sure your system is not overheating. I don't even know if it is a good idea to use an i7 only with 750W (For gaming that is).

The 17 frames/sec is not a surprise... the surprise is in fact running any game without exploding something. You have a good pc, but 750W... doesn't work.

Btw, just ignore V-synch...

They say 64 bit system is better, they are wrong. My experience with 64 bits showed me i could not run Battlefield 3 with 8 GB Ram. Now with a lower card and 4 GB Ram on my current 32 Bit system... it works perfectlly.

Look, the point is... your system is ok. Your performance will increase, only with a decent Power Supply. Once you have that, you are good to go.
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As for the PSU related discussion, I was wrong when saying mine was 550W, in fact it's 750W, so unless some rail is broken it should be pretty enough for that GPU I'd say.


Sorry mate, but the 750W is very low. You need more Power supply. And please, make sure your system is not overheating. I don't even know if it is a good idea to use an i7 only with 750W (For gaming that is).

The 17 frames/sec is not a surprise... the surprise is in fact running any game without exploding something. You have a good pc, but 750W... doesn't work.

Btw, just ignore V-synch...

They say 64 bit system is better, they are wrong. My experience with 64 bits showed me i could not run Battlefield 3 with 8 GB Ram. Now with a lower card and 4 GB Ram on my current 32 Bit system... it works perfectlly.

Look, the point is... your system is ok. Your performance will increase, only with a decent Power Supply. Once you have that, you are good to go.
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You don't think 750w is enough for his system? Have you been smoking crack? It's more than enough.
I have a 650w supply and I'm powering more stuff than he is in his system.
  18:52:36  2 July 2013
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Mel,

- Reset your Nvidia control settings
- De-install your drivers
- Start windows in safe mode
- Clean the registry of remaining driver key's
- Update to the newest drivers
- delete or rename user.ltx
- Test now

I did this when I had the same experience like you did and it worked. Sometimes your drivers might interfere with switching hardware, as the drivers detect your GPU.

Another thing could ofc. be that with replacing the cards you damaged one of the PCI-E x16 poles, resulting in this behaviour. Could be anything, actually
  22:31:59  2 July 2013
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Guys, many thanks for all your hints.

BUT: Is there a way to verify that my GPU itself is ok? I mean, I already tested quite a lot of those things suggested here and haven't got any further, so before I waste any more time struggling around aimlessly in the miseries of my rig I'd like to be sure that it's not "only" the 560Ti itself that is somehow messed up / broken. So is there some tool or something helping me to verify the graphic adapter itself is clean and working?


EDIT:

For any further testing, it would be good to know what FPS could be expected in my case:

- my rig as above, with the GTX 560Ti
- all default NVidia settings
- maximum settings with all in-game graphic options enabled at 1920x1200
- Dynamic Shaders 1.1 extreme preset (based on Kingo64's extreme preset)
- more or less "casual" user.ltx, rather GPU-demanding, but GI disabled
- no injectors (FXAA, MSAA, ENB, and the like)

I know this is pretty vague for giving an "exact" expectable FPS, but a range might already help. On my second SoC installation with DS 1.1 I'm getting 40-60 FPS in Cordon rookie camp, and IRCC it was not much less than that with my GTX 260.
  00:51:54  3 July 2013
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Have you checked it with GPU-Z to make sure it's functioning correctly?
Have you run SHoC totally vanilla to bench mark FPS (including useltx "Vanilla".
Then run it with your gamedata and settings (user.ltx)?
I have a 60 FPS difference between vanilla and my mod with an ATI 7970.
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You don't think 750w is enough for his system? Have you been smoking crack? It's more than enough.
I have a 650w supply and I'm powering more stuff than he is in his system.
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You don't think 750w is enough for his system?
That's exactly what i think.

Have you been smoking crack?
No, but i have been smoking other things...

It's more than enough.
No, it is not.

I have a 650w supply and I'm powering more stuff than he is in his system.
In that case, you don't have a computer for modern games. Well, if you play Pacman... That's ok.
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Have you checked it with GPU-Z to make sure it's functioning correctly?
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Yes I have, according to that everything should be fine. However AFAIK GPU-Z shows only the actuals specs but is not a function test.


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Have you run SHoC totally vanilla to bench mark FPS (including useltx "Vanilla".
Then run it with your gamedata and settings (user.ltx)?
I have a 60 FPS difference between vanilla and my mod with an ATI 7970.
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Yes I have, and yes the difference is huge. But as long as I have no means to compare my vanilla FPS to the one to be expected on a rig such as mine, that doesn't help me.

All I can compare atm are the FPS values that I'm having now with my GTX560Ti and had before with the GTX260. And THAT difference should be huge IMHO, but it isn't. It's almost the same.


EDIT:
What about video memory? May some mods (or my shaders) tend to "flood" the GPU's RAM so that the card couldn't handle any more texture data? Because after what I've read in forums on other games that is a typical reason if performance becomes incredibly bad.
  19:51:36  3 July 2013
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If your shaders are intense, that is possible. I had a huge difference between 896MB and 1280MB when running NS DMX.
  03:14:44  4 July 2013
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Guys, many thanks for all your hints.

BUT: Is there a way to verify that my GPU itself is ok? I mean, I already tested quite a lot of those things suggested here and haven't got any further, so before I waste any more time struggling around aimlessly in the miseries of my rig I'd like to be sure that it's not "only" the 560Ti itself that is somehow messed up / broken. So is there some tool or something helping me to verify the graphic adapter itself is clean and working?

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you could use a benchmarking tool like FurMark and let it run your card under high pressure and look if there are artifacts or graphic failures happening, it should have profiles of similar systems to compare the FPS too

also Cuda Memtest could be helpful to check your cards memory

[link]http://www.softpedia.com/get/Tweak/Memory-Tweak/CUDA-MemTest.shtml[/link]

or this one, it shows errors on the run

http://www.computerbild.de/download/Video-Memory-Stress-Test-6773846.html
  04:07:04  4 July 2013
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All I can compare atm are the FPS values that I'm having now with my GTX560Ti and had before with the GTX260. And THAT difference should be huge IMHO, but it isn't. It's almost the same.

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The older cards have bigger bus ratio's allowing for better data-transport. A 448bit interface really does help in delivery of the data, while a 560ti IIRC only has a 192bit interface, leaving it with less data lines. There's been a huge downgrade since the 400 series, only because the cards would become too hot iirc. Trust me, if you compare a 512bit interface card with a 192 or 256 bit with all of the same specs, the 512 is going to dominate the rest. At the time the GTX290's were the kings of everything on the market. Sadly they stopped doing that for double GPU cards, only the top of the top (not even the TITANS)
  05:36:23  4 July 2013
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You don't think 750w is enough for his system? Have you been smoking crack? It's more than enough.
I have a 650w supply and I'm powering more stuff than he is in his system.


You don't think 750w is enough for his system?
That's exactly what i think.

Have you been smoking crack?
No, but i have been smoking other things...

It's more than enough.
No, it is not.

I have a 650w supply and I'm powering more stuff than he is in his system.
In that case, you don't have a computer for modern games. Well, if you play Pacman... That's ok.
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I play Crysis 3 and Battlefield 3 at high settings on my mere 650 watts system...

I'll leave it at that.

Please educate yourself.
  07:09:53  4 July 2013
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LoNer1...the 560ti has the 256 memory bus but I know what you are saying. I've also been worried about the reduction of the width of the bus since the newer GDDR5 memory is faster in speed so they want to use the speed of the new memory to go through the narrow bus. They originally used the wide bus for the GDDR3 slightly slower VRAM. My GTX 470 & GTX 480 both continue to play all games well to this day. Those have a 320 bus & a 384 bus.

I still think Meltac should see a noticeable difference in frames.
  11:11:18  4 July 2013
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I still think Meltac should see a noticeable difference in frames.
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Yes I should. All your suggestions might be worth a try, but they don't explain why the GPU showed double of the FPS in the first test run that I'm having now

It all started (or ended, put it the way you like) with updating the old driver from the card's driver CD to the latest downloadable driver - From that point FPS was only half of what it was before.

The strange thing is that all these clean-up procedures such as running a clean driver installation and using tools such as CCleaner, DriverSweeper, or TuneUp Utils doesn't help! Once the initial performance was gone, it could not be restored by any means!

THAT's the point of all. Unless some HW component such as the PSU or the GPU itself became broken during the driver update, there's absolutely no reason why checking system specs or running benchmarks could help anyhow - instead, identifying what happened during the driver update and how it's fixable is the solution I believe.
  11:57:01  4 July 2013
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As a last resort - have you tried re-flashing your bios? It could have been corrupted by the new driver. EVGA had a thread where you could request an updated bios. They'd stopped releasing the 580 bios so I was unlucky but other Googled site's had them [if I remember correctly] My problem [fan speed throttled back] made it not worth the risk to use a non EVGA site bios.
  12:28:50  4 July 2013
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I got a BIOS updated by some modder mate, but was not able yet to create a working boot stick in order to flash it. But that's definitively what I will try next.

Do you say a "simple" driver update can corrupt the card's BIOS? That would be devastating IMO! However it would explain the weird behavior I'm having. And yeah, the card's fans are also not throttling up anymore the way they did before updating the driver.
  13:04:06  4 July 2013
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I got a BIOS updated by some modder mate, but was not able yet to create a working boot stick in order to flash it. But that's definitively what I will try next.

Do you say a "simple" driver update can corrupt the card's BIOS? That would be devastating IMO! However it would explain the weird behavior I'm having. And yeah, the card's fans are also not throttling up anymore the way they did before updating the driver.
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I RMA'd a 295 and got a 580, they'd throttled fans to 85% via bios and I wanted 100%; Other users had fried 580's so they stopped offering. There's a EVGA thread and in your place I would have tried this, I'm very careful and would stop and ask before doing anything I'm unsure of. Have you raised a support ticket for advice? I would start there and let them walk you through, your mate might be a guru for all I know but if EVGA cock it up they would/should feel responsible and hopefully sort you out.
  13:15:01  4 July 2013
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I just launched a thread on my issue on EVGA forums and hope to get answers there. I've seen the tech guys from EVGA are very active in the forums as well, so I might get helpful replies both from the company staff and community members. Hopefully.
  13:30:57  4 July 2013
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I just launched a thread on my issue on EVGA forums and hope to get answers there. I've seen the tech guys from EVGA are very active in the forums as well, so I might get helpful replies both from the company staff and community members. Hopefully.
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Why don't you also raise a support ticket which would make them more responsible for any potential problems? and if unresolved would be passed to the next level of compitence. I remember reading of a released GTX driver which broke GPU's so it's not inconceivable that a corrupted update could alter something in the bios, perhaps it defaulted to "safe mode" or whatever.
  13:45:17  4 July 2013
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Why don't you also raise a support ticket which would make them more responsible for any potential problems?
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Simply for the reason that I have not yet registered the card at EVGA. I will do that when I get the chance as atm I'm not on my PC.


EDIT:
I've found this:

http://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/index.php?architecture=NVIDIA&manufacturer=EVGA&model=GTX+560+Ti&interface=PCI-E&memType=GDDR5&memSize=1024

Could you maybe give me some advice on which BIOS would be fine for my card? I guess should be one of the 900 / 1053 version, and of course not the "SC".
  14:28:28  4 July 2013
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Why don't you also raise a support ticket which would make them more responsible for any potential problems?

Simply for the reason that I have not yet registered the card at EVGA. I will do that when I get the chance as atm I'm not on my PC.


EDIT:
I've found this:

http://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/index.php?architecture=NVIDIA&manufacturer=EVGA&model=GTX+560+Ti&interface=PCI-E&memType=GDDR5&memSize=1024

Could you maybe give me some advice on which BIOS would be fine for my card? I guess should be one of the 900 / 1053 version, and of course not the "SC".
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Is this is a brand new card bought from a retailer? If it is I would do everything by the book. If you flash the bios from a non EVGA site and it goes tits up - you'll presumably invalidate the warranty and if EVGA don't issue them - there's a reason for it.
If it has no warranty then I would find a program that specs the card and hopefully lists the bios details and go from there. EVGA have advanced software for over-clocking which should help. I just use basic stuff for fan profiles ect as I'm not into over-clocking.

Edit. Your link "techpowerup.com" has "nvflash" which allows you to save original bios [re-flash as a fail-safe] and lists details of the existing bios. I would use this to gather all info and back-up existing before anything else.
  15:31:55  4 July 2013
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thanks. the card is not new, bought it second-hand. so, no warranty anyways.

The previous owner never had any issues, he just sold the card because of the fan's noise that annoyed him, he's got a GTX560Ti from ASUS now instead which he says gives the exact same framerate as mine.

After what I've read it's said to be physically impossible for a graphics driver to modify vbios data of the GPU, so I assume there must be something else the driver update did to my GPU or system.
  16:03:24  4 July 2013
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thanks. the card is not new, bought it second-hand. so, no warranty anyways.

The previous owner never had any issues, he just sold the card because of the fan's noise that annoyed him, he's got a GTX560Ti from ASUS now instead which he says gives the exact same framerate as mine.

After what I've read it's said to be physically impossible for a graphics driver to modify vbios data of the GPU, so I assume there must be something else the driver update did to my GPU or system.
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I'm sure that's right but the driver communicates with the bios and vice versa
From the EVGA forum re second hand cards. "The warranty would start from the ship date from us for the second hand owner. You can enter the serial number in our Guest RMA area to see how many days are left on the warranty" I have a 10 yr warranty on my card.
This is all above my pay-grade but a bios can corrupt and this presumably can cause problems with communication with the driver. The corruption must be software sourced and driver and bios communicate to the hardware.
I've got a headache now and I have to change the duvet cover which reduces me to tears and then I have to bake bread so good luck mate.
  17:02:10  4 July 2013
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Ok, many thanks for your help And get well soon!
  18:30:40  4 July 2013
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Beat the duvet, its like fighting a controller in a train carriage with a bread loaf.
What I would do.
Make sure the 560 settings are factory default.
Install the 260 and if it works in Stalker like before then the problems the 560, not hardware.
I would do a fresh Win7 install with the 560 [keep win drivers] fresh Stalker install and try [fps]
Update gtx drivers and check Stalker [fps].
Still fecked?
If the person you bought it from is a very good friend, then I'm sure he sold it in good faith - but the 560's faulty and he should acknowledge this. If he's not a good friend then his excuse to replace it with another 560 "because its a little quieter" seems lame to me and I suspect the card was very tired and on the way out.
  21:54:26  4 July 2013
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Thanks.

Just now I got a phenomena that I haven't had before. When I launch the game now, I first get 17 FPS as always, but then it quickly toggles to 30 FPS for about one second or something, then back to 17 and once more up to 30, after that the entire screen freezes at 17 FPS and I have to shut down the game using windows task manager, what never happened before (unless I was overclocking). I had this behavior never before in my tests (and that were *many*), but now I can reproduce it over and over.

Any thoughts on that?
  22:08:08  4 July 2013
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Any thoughts on that?
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You've been fooled with this video card, it's simply a crap. I would ask my money back.
Seriously.
  00:36:42  6 July 2013
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I play Crysis 3 and Battlefield 3 at high settings on my mere 650 watts system...

I'll leave it at that.

Please educate yourself.
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Right... wait... ah, there it is:

Be carefull u might crash your flash player (i am not joking)

2048x1152 Youtube original quality preset.

[link]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOlVIrXMYuM[/link]

This is regular 1280x720, sorry

[link]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sBe0sVEYDA[/link]

Please educate yourself? Are you getting mad with me? Because i came here in peace... I want to keep it that way. Deal?

If not... feel free to post some footage of your gameplay
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Crysis 3 and Battlefield 3 at high settings on my mere 650 watts system
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... on Youtube.

Good Luck with that. Until then i think i'm gonna educate myself... or maybe smoking some crack.
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insanelazarez, I can confirm that my 750W PSU is well enough for the 560Ti and that the mentioned issues are caused by other (i.e. mainly software) problems.

I might run into power issues when doing heavy OCing on my system, but upon "normal" usage 750W is sufficient and does not bottleneck anything.

What brought a serious improvement in my case was starting windows in safe mode, wiping any- and everything named "nvidia" out of the device manager, running driver fusion clean-up and erase the remains of any nvidia bit on my system, then restarting and installing the old driver for the GPU, with a clean installation and everything but the graphics driver unselected. Then, in nvidia control panel disable everything globally (not only on the STALKER program tab).
  12:20:38  8 July 2013
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insanelazarez, I can confirm that my 750W PSU is well enough for the 560Ti and that the mentioned issues are caused by other (i.e. mainly software) problems.

I might run into power issues when doing heavy OCing on my system, but upon "normal" usage 750W is sufficient and does not bottleneck anything.

What brought a serious improvement in my case was starting windows in safe mode, wiping any- and everything named "nvidia" out of the device manager, running driver fusion clean-up and erase the remains of any nvidia bit on my system, then restarting and installing the old driver for the GPU, with a clean installation and everything but the graphics driver unselected. Then, in nvidia control panel disable everything globally (not only on the STALKER program tab).
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I reduced temps on my gtx580 by 20c [with no appreciable loss in visual quality] by switching everything off in Nvidia control panel. New enhancements on new drivers don't apply to Stalker and I think the card wastes energy trying to implement them. I also don't let new driver packages unzip to the default location. Have you tried re-flashing the bios yet, and is this on a clean Win 7 installation?
Don't give up, you'll get there - I always do.
  12:36:11  8 July 2013
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Have you tried re-flashing the bios yet, and is this on a clean Win 7 installation?
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Not yet since I'm pretty busy and already happy to have almost the initial framerate again. But I will do that later.

Disabling everything in NV CP was necessary in my case to get rid off the black-white artifacts on the foliage that I was having. I don't see any temps affects so far, though.
  21:53:11  8 July 2013
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If I had that card I would RMA it and try another one.
  22:20:03  8 July 2013
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If I had that card I would RMA it and try another one.
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Unfortunately RMAing is not an option in this case otherwise I'd already have done that for sure!
  02:43:55  9 July 2013
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what?

Don't you have any other games to test this card on besides Stalker? Verify the card's functionality with them. If it fails on them too then you'll know.
  03:19:17  9 July 2013
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If I had that card I would RMA it and try another one.

Unfortunately RMAing is not an option in this case otherwise I'd already have done that for sure!
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Is the card still under Warranty?
  03:20:34  9 July 2013
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what?

Don't you have any other games to test this card on besides Stalker? Verify the card's functionality with them. If it fails on them too then you'll know.
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what? is on second!
  21:23:24  9 July 2013
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what?

Don't you have any other games to test this card on besides Stalker? Verify the card's functionality with them. If it fails on them too then you'll know.


what? is on second!
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Sorry guys, what are you talking about? I've never said that I don't have any other games!!! The card's performance is less than it should be, compared to the GTX260, regardless of the game.

And no, no warranty anymore. It's second-hand, I don't even have a receipt or something from the previous owner. But that's not the point. For all what I've tested by now the card should be working fine, but there seems to be something throttling it down for whatever reason.
  23:00:30  9 July 2013
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Its dump, Tell your Buddy he Sold u a broken Card ans u want your Money back..and bis a New one...
  00:45:40  10 July 2013
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That card was most likely overclocked to much or overclocked for to long a time.
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Ok, I'll see what I could do. Let's close here. Thanks for all your help
  14:10:07  10 July 2013
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I had the same issue with my card couple of years ago.
My old 9800GTX broke down so I got a "new old" card HD4870X2.
Just remove it from the slot dust it good if need it and apply electronic circuit board cleaner spray on the pins.
You should be good.
No need for driver headaches just remove the one you use with Driver Sweeper 3.2.0 and install the latest.
It worked for me.

Double check to properly insert it after removing it.
 
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