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  15:27:11  1 July 2013
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Meltac
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Could you post your system specs in a little more details?
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Intel i7 940 QuadCore, 16 GB Patriot RAM 1600MHz, Gigabyte MB, Thermaltake 550W PSU, HD ? (no SSD), Samsung 24'' LCD 1920x1200, Windows Vista Ultimate 64bit.

What else do you need to know in specific?
  20:50:20  1 July 2013
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Could you post your system specs in a little more details?

Intel i7 940 QuadCore, 16 GB Patriot RAM 1600MHz, Gigabyte MB, Thermaltake 550W PSU, HD ? (no SSD), Samsung 24'' LCD 1920x1200, Windows Vista Ultimate 64bit.

What else do you need to know in specific?
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I would say the PSU seems a bit underpowered for the system. Even if it is within the recommended minimum requirements, I still thinks that it will not give enough juice to power the system properly.

I remember when I was running Vista64 bit, I had numerous problems with the S.T.A.L.K.E.R. games (SOC & CS).
  21:36:52  1 July 2013
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Jketiynu
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Could you post your system specs in a little more details?

Intel i7 940 QuadCore, 16 GB Patriot RAM 1600MHz, Gigabyte MB, Thermaltake 550W PSU, HD ? (no SSD), Samsung 24'' LCD 1920x1200, Windows Vista Ultimate 64bit.

What else do you need to know in specific?

I would say the PSU seems a bit underpowered for the system. Even if it is within the recommended minimum requirements, I still thinks that it will not give enough juice to power the system properly.

I remember when I was running Vista64 bit, I had numerous problems with the S.T.A.L.K.E.R. games (SOC & CS).
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No offense, but without knowing how old the PSU is and the Amps for the 12v rail you have no way of knowing if it's not enough. In fact I would imagine as long as it's a half-way decent PSU 550w is plenty for a 560ti.

Looking at the current Thermaltake PSU that is 550w that is single-rail, it has 42A on the 12v rail which is more than enough. I don't consider Thermaltake one of the better PSU makers but it should still be fine and I doubt it's causing the problem.

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Meltac, I think you received the best advice earlier from someone who said you should try Guru3D or something. I really wouldn't trust these particular forums for computer advice.
My next recommendation would be the somethingawful.com forums if you're willing to pay a 1-time $10 fee to get in (it's a way of making sure dumb people don't get access to the forum, they get weeded out pretty fast).

Also, since your issues are now just performance related, do you have any games like Battlefield 3 or something? You could try an intensive non-Stalker game to see if maybe it's just unique to the Stalker games for whatever reason.
  23:53:10  1 July 2013
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Meltac
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As for the PSU related discussion, I was wrong when saying mine was 550W, in fact it's 750W, so unless some rail is broken it should be pretty enough for that GPU I'd say.

I registered on both mentioned forums but didn't have access rights to start a new thread after registration, even after activation! Sucks.

I'll check the other mentioned options and let you guys now.

EDIT:
re-seating the card didn't help. Also checked the PCI-E plugs and they're connected as they should. Might it be that one of those PCI-E rails is broken so that the card doesn't get enough power?
  04:12:47  2 July 2013
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Jketiynu
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As for the PSU related discussion, I was wrong when saying mine was 550W, in fact it's 750W, so unless some rail is broken it should be pretty enough for that GPU I'd say.

I registered on both mentioned forums but didn't have access rights to start a new thread after registration, even after activation! Sucks.

I'll check the other mentioned options and let you guys now.

EDIT:
re-seating the card didn't help. Also checked the PCI-E plugs and they're connected as they should. Might it be that one of those PCI-E rails is broken so that the card doesn't get enough power?
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I suppose a broken PCI-E is possible. I wonder if there's any sort of program that can detect the amount of power you're getting to your GPU. There probably is.

Anyways, you registered on the somethingawful.com forums? Same username?
Once you get your video card issues sorted out (they're great, they'll figure it out for you) head on over to the Stalker thread which is semi-active (I go by "Swartz" on there, my avatar is a guy crying ): http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3482049

I'm surprised you're not able to post yet, it should be instant. Maybe there's a 24-hour waiting period to make sure you read the rules or something.
If you have trouble past 24 let me know and I'll contact an admin to get you fast-tracked.
  04:35:51  2 July 2013
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Another good forum for help, http://www.overclock.net/ Just another thought, maybe try another PCI-E plug or it can be a throttling issue with your card. Sometimes the stupidest thing can be the culprit, i would visit some forums though. Hell the people from Hardforum basically built my PC for me, found me sales and free shipping on some of the parts, its nice to have people that actually want to help you for nothing. All i did was gave them a price range.
  06:46:22  2 July 2013
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insanelazarez
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On forum: 01/31/2009
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As for the PSU related discussion, I was wrong when saying mine was 550W, in fact it's 750W, so unless some rail is broken it should be pretty enough for that GPU I'd say.
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Sorry mate, but the 750W is very low. You need more Power supply. And please, make sure your system is not overheating. I don't even know if it is a good idea to use an i7 only with 750W (For gaming that is).

The 17 frames/sec is not a surprise... the surprise is in fact running any game without exploding something. You have a good pc, but 750W... doesn't work.

Btw, just ignore V-synch...

They say 64 bit system is better, they are wrong. My experience with 64 bits showed me i could not run Battlefield 3 with 8 GB Ram. Now with a lower card and 4 GB Ram on my current 32 Bit system... it works perfectlly.

Look, the point is... your system is ok. Your performance will increase, only with a decent Power Supply. Once you have that, you are good to go.
  16:01:56  2 July 2013
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Jketiynu
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As for the PSU related discussion, I was wrong when saying mine was 550W, in fact it's 750W, so unless some rail is broken it should be pretty enough for that GPU I'd say.


Sorry mate, but the 750W is very low. You need more Power supply. And please, make sure your system is not overheating. I don't even know if it is a good idea to use an i7 only with 750W (For gaming that is).

The 17 frames/sec is not a surprise... the surprise is in fact running any game without exploding something. You have a good pc, but 750W... doesn't work.

Btw, just ignore V-synch...

They say 64 bit system is better, they are wrong. My experience with 64 bits showed me i could not run Battlefield 3 with 8 GB Ram. Now with a lower card and 4 GB Ram on my current 32 Bit system... it works perfectlly.

Look, the point is... your system is ok. Your performance will increase, only with a decent Power Supply. Once you have that, you are good to go.
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You don't think 750w is enough for his system? Have you been smoking crack? It's more than enough.
I have a 650w supply and I'm powering more stuff than he is in his system.
  18:52:36  2 July 2013
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LoNer1
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On forum: 10/23/2009
 

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07/02/2013 18:55:13
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Mel,

- Reset your Nvidia control settings
- De-install your drivers
- Start windows in safe mode
- Clean the registry of remaining driver key's
- Update to the newest drivers
- delete or rename user.ltx
- Test now

I did this when I had the same experience like you did and it worked. Sometimes your drivers might interfere with switching hardware, as the drivers detect your GPU.

Another thing could ofc. be that with replacing the cards you damaged one of the PCI-E x16 poles, resulting in this behaviour. Could be anything, actually
  22:31:59  2 July 2013
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Meltac
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On forum: 01/21/2010
 

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07/02/2013 23:26:48
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Guys, many thanks for all your hints.

BUT: Is there a way to verify that my GPU itself is ok? I mean, I already tested quite a lot of those things suggested here and haven't got any further, so before I waste any more time struggling around aimlessly in the miseries of my rig I'd like to be sure that it's not "only" the 560Ti itself that is somehow messed up / broken. So is there some tool or something helping me to verify the graphic adapter itself is clean and working?


EDIT:

For any further testing, it would be good to know what FPS could be expected in my case:

- my rig as above, with the GTX 560Ti
- all default NVidia settings
- maximum settings with all in-game graphic options enabled at 1920x1200
- Dynamic Shaders 1.1 extreme preset (based on Kingo64's extreme preset)
- more or less "casual" user.ltx, rather GPU-demanding, but GI disabled
- no injectors (FXAA, MSAA, ENB, and the like)

I know this is pretty vague for giving an "exact" expectable FPS, but a range might already help. On my second SoC installation with DS 1.1 I'm getting 40-60 FPS in Cordon rookie camp, and IRCC it was not much less than that with my GTX 260.
 
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