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  17:14:32  14 February 2012
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Derranged
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How isn't it the brightest idea? The Tt PSU is specially designed to only run the graphics card...

http://www.thermaltakeusa.com/Product.aspx?S=1207&ID=1500

Look at it's specs.

EDIT: Theres is different from mine for some reason... The one I have isn't a main PSU. It comes with a cable which plugs into your main PSU and then you plug your graphics card cables into it. The stats from their website should be the same.
  17:24:42  14 February 2012
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Yes, you have some of them on but when I go to turn on more it just fails....
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That's what makes me very curious and far from convinced of a hardware issue.

I'd recommend you'd check out Kingo's Max Shaders, he provides several presets with different options enabled/disabled. Try if all of the presets work, or which of them fail. Furthermore, his shaders are shipped with a configuration GUI tool to edit all the options. Might be a try to check whether it makes a difference if you turn on the options with the tool rather and manually in your text editor (sounds a little weird but actually I had such an issue a while ago).

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Talking about PSUs, Thermal Take is overrated IMHO (I had several issues with that guy)
  17:26:52  14 February 2012
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Yes, you have some of them on but when I go to turn on more it just fails....

That's what makes me very curious and far from convinced of a hardware issue.

I'd recommend you'd check out Kingo's Max Shaders, he provides several presets with different options enabled/disabled. Try if all of the presets work, or which of them fail. Furthermore, his shaders are shipped with a configuration GUI tool to edit all the options. Might be a try to check whether it makes a difference if you turn on the options with the tool rather and manually in your text editor (sounds a little weird but actually I had such an issue a while ago).
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Ok, I will have a go with his shaders.

EDIT: OK, his work like yours normally. Once I activate one of the options it starts to crash. Now, the option like this: //World effects

Is that one of the ones that I should be taking the // off of to get that whole heap to work?

EDIT 2: Ok, it died again so it is not me doing the wrong thing...
  18:29:25  14 February 2012
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//World effects

is not an disabled option but a "real" comment (i.e. intended to be read by humans, not computers). Deleting the slashes (//) will lead to a syntax error, thus a pixel shader 1.1 crash. Look for the real options under that line and try those.

EDIT:
Options are those lines that start with #define, so a disabled option looks like this:

//#define THIS_IS_MY_NEAT_OPTION

whereas an enabled option looks that way:

#define THIS_IS_MY_NEAT_OPTION
  00:28:06  15 February 2012
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How isn't it the brightest idea? The Tt PSU is specially designed to only run the graphics card...

http://www.thermaltakeusa.com/Product.aspx?S=1207&ID=1500

Look at it's specs.

EDIT: Theres is different from mine for some reason... The one I have isn't a main PSU. It comes with a cable which plugs into your main PSU and then you plug your graphics card cables into it. The stats from their website should be the same.
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The problem is that the TT PSU draws its power from your main PSU. Basically this means your TT PSU relies on your main PSU to feed it power as it doesn't have any independent means of getting its own power, putting your main PSU under much more additional stess than it needs to be. In even simpler terms: main PSU 520w > trying to power a "secondary" 650w PSU that has no independent means of getting its power. Logic alone says you shouldn't use a PSU thats weaker than your secondary PSU to power your secondary PSU. I'm trying to think of a simple way to explain it but suffice to say; your main PSU is being put under a lot more stress than it needs. You still haven't told me the exact specification of your system so I can't say for sure but your secondary PSU as it seems atm is not needed at all. Your Corsair 520w PSU has enough juice to run your GPU as it is.
  04:23:25  15 February 2012
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How isn't it the brightest idea? The Tt PSU is specially designed to only run the graphics card...

http://www.thermaltakeusa.com/Product.aspx?S=1207&ID=1500

Look at it's specs.

EDIT: Theres is different from mine for some reason... The one I have isn't a main PSU. It comes with a cable which plugs into your main PSU and then you plug your graphics card cables into it. The stats from their website should be the same.

The problem is that the TT PSU draws its power from your main PSU. Basically this means your TT PSU relies on your main PSU to feed it power as it doesn't have any independent means of getting its own power, putting your main PSU under much more additional stess than it needs to be. In even simpler terms: main PSU 520w > trying to power a "secondary" 650w PSU that has no independent means of getting its power. Logic alone says you shouldn't use a PSU thats weaker than your secondary PSU to power your secondary PSU. I'm trying to think of a simple way to explain it but suffice to say; your main PSU is being put under a lot more stress than it needs. You still haven't told me the exact specification of your system so I can't say for sure but your secondary PSU as it seems atm is not needed at all. Your Corsair 520w PSU has enough juice to run your GPU as it is.
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And that's where you go wrong, it doesn't draw power from the main PSU... It plugs into your main PSU's Graphics cables to take over the graphics cards. I have two power leads going to the power sockets in the wall. Dude, it's built for this sort of thing but mine doesn't have a power-cable which you plug into the front, it is hard-wired into the PSU... I should try and find it on the web.. A video I guess..

EDIT: I found the exact one: http://www.thermaltakeusa.com/Product.aspx?C=1265&ID=1544


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//World effects

is not an disabled option but a "real" comment (i.e. intended to be read by humans, not computers). Deleting the slashes (//) will lead to a syntax error, thus a pixel shader 1.1 crash. Look for the real options under that line and try those.

EDIT:
Options are those lines that start with #define, so a disabled option looks like this:

//#define THIS_IS_MY_NEAT_OPTION

whereas an enabled option looks that way:

#define THIS_IS_MY_NEAT_OPTION
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Ok, but I edited that post and said that it crashed even with the normal options being taken off...
  12:02:46  15 February 2012
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Ok, but I edited that post and said that it crashed even with the normal options being taken off...
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Derranged, could you please send me or upload the file that you have edited that makes the game crash?
  13:55:23  15 February 2012
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I don't think that will help you at all... I was using Kingo's program to use some of the settings. I wasn't manually setting them. If you really want them you may aswell just download his because they are the same.
  15:00:13  15 February 2012
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Ok then, did you try all of Kingo's presets? Did all of them crash, or did some work (and which)?

And are you having always exactly the same error message? And always no log at all (I'm talking about the xray log file that is written to where the screenshots and savegames are stored on your machine)?

Sorry for all those questions, but I'm just trying to figure out what in the world might cause such a weird behavior.
  17:31:53  15 February 2012
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If you download it and play it works. When you edit them through even his editor it crashes.

It is always the Pixel Shaders V1.1... Nothing else.
 
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