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  13:56:46  9 October 2003
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Ian_C
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On forum: 08/02/2003
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Log-in voting

Okay, let's face facts. No-one respects the current system of voting anymore, it's far too open to abuse and is the main result that we get such utterly skewed figures - a 6 becomes a high mark because for every vote that is made giving the story an eight or a nine about five votes are made against that giving it a far lower mark - not because the voter feels it deserves that mark, but because they can knock you down, be it through envy, spite, or through totally the wrong interpretation of the word 'competiton'.

What have I got to moan about? You may ask, not much admitedly, but my problem here is with other writers who've been passed over unfairly, and that no-one can even be sure anymore whether the 'top 10' indicates the 10 best stories or merely the ten best cheaters.

Please enable log-in voting. Anyone who is serious about rating and reading these stories won't mind registering, and it would severely cut down on the strategy of someone moving round every computer in their lab at school or college and using an identical vote on each one to bolster their own and/or bring down other people's work.

I suppose this is an open plea to Atem, if you can take any action to support what I have suggested then please do so, preferably before the contest loses the rich potential it has to entertain people and inspire the healthy kind of competition between writers - rather than become a manipulated farce.
  16:59:11  9 October 2003
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MAXIMISE
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To be honest I assumed the best stories judged by the mods, developers and staff would be picked regardless of voting. Its just a participation thing.

The thing that skews the voting the most is the amount of time the conest has been open to voting. Typically votes are only taken once a contest is closed. Currently its virtually pointless to enter a story. As old entries have had more time to stew. Some would say, thats what they get for being in first, but that discounts the many people who have only recently entered the community.

I say community votes should only be a minor consideration. The devs have to pick stories that fit the Zone anyway, so that already cuts alot of stories that don't really fit well off the contest, unless they are changed for entry into the game dialogue/history.
  17:13:51  9 October 2003
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Ian_C
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Ian_C
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Well, the contest guidelines read that "The winners will be chosen basing on voting results" - so judging by that the Devs don't get much of a look-in with their opinions, no doubt they intended to have the best stories chosen by those who were most enthused about their game, the fans, which was a noble aim but unfortunatly didn't take into account how much such a system would be abused without 'safeguards'.

I'm not so sure about people who get their stories in first having the advantage, the changing grade is not based on the number of people who rated you but rather the average of their awarded scores - hence it is quite possible for any new story which is recieved well by voters at large to obtain a good position in the charts in a short period of time.

Just a small failsafe such as long-in voting could deter a lot of cheaters, I have no idea how easy it is to impliment but would love a comment from someone 'in the know' about this suggestion.
  19:03:22  9 October 2003
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ravenutty
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Good idea.
  07:24:44  10 October 2003
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Amoki
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yes, I agree with you. Those very good story, like The lost of Innocence, was drag to a menial marks by jealous bystander. OF course, not to mention The difference Between you and me.

CLAWS did say that GSC will looked into it. Why don't you guys sit back and see for another month. If there is no change, I say let's float the Dev's mailbox with email concerning this subject, then they will do something about it. Of course, this is just a joke
  07:54:46  10 October 2003
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MAXIMISE
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Well, the contest guidelines read that "The winners will be chosen basing on voting results" - so judging by that the Devs don't get much of a look-in with their opinions, no doubt they intended to have the best stories chosen by those who were most enthused about their game, the fans, which was a noble aim but unfortunatly didn't take into account how much such a system would be abused without 'safeguards'.
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I read that too, but I thought this was only to wittle down the contest to a smaller number. There can obviously be alot of stories with the same exact rating.


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I'm not so sure about people who get their stories in first having the advantage, the changing grade is not based on the number of people who rated you but rather the average of their awarded scores - hence it is quite possible for any new story which is recieved well by voters at large to obtain a good position in the charts in a short period of time.
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The voting as much as you want gives them the advantage of averages actually. Its a contest of how many times you and your friends can vote for you, and how many times your detractors/enemies can vote against you.


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Just a small failsafe such as long-in voting could deter a lot of cheaters, I have no idea how easy it is to impliment but would love a comment from someone 'in the know' about this suggestion.
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Your right, log-in voting is needed, but they already dug the hole of allowing one person to vote to infinity, if they changed it now all that would happen is those with bad stories but lots of friends would win. I think it needs to be judged by objective people, not the writers and there groupies. This is not about he who has the most IP addresses and registrations, it should be about who has the best story. Its not the Oscars. We actually wanna see a good story win.

As a boycott everyone should just spend a few minutes voting '1' in as many different stories as possible,
  12:03:02  10 October 2003
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Ian_C
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Your right, log-in voting is needed, but they already dug the hole of allowing one person to vote to infinity, if they changed it now all that would happen is those with bad stories but lots of friends would win. I think it needs to be judged by objective people, not the writers and there groupies. This is not about he who has the most IP addresses and registrations, it should be about who has the best story. Its not the Oscars. We actually wanna see a good story win.


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Yeah, that's true. Even that system is open to heavy abuse, I suppose no half-measures can really help at this point, it's either something drastic or nothing at all.
 
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