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  23:41:36  13 December 2005
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shefa
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  20:03:52  13 December 2005
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Yeah, I somehow missed that thing about the spas12. Maybe I didn't read back far enough. I wasn't being cheeky
  19:53:14  13 December 2005
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http://www.ammo-oracle.com/body.htm#diff

thanx for the info
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Though the ammo-oracle is a very good sight, it only deals with 5.56 and .223. If you want more info on the 5.45 round i suggest this study.

[link]http://www.btammolabs.com/fackler/ak74_wounding_potential.pdf[/link]
  18:43:01  13 December 2005
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http://www.ammo-oracle.com/body.htm#diff

thanx for the info
  18:27:34  13 December 2005
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Sorry, but i know it surely, that mercury filled bullets exists. Maybe you mean that legend that someone was killed by that mercury inside, but that isn't what I meant.

As I know the mercury is added in the bullet, because it is pretty heavy liquid. and that word liquid is critical. When the bullet hits the target, it's kinetic energy cause that it will penetrate in, decreasing it's speed quickly. And because liquid has different physical properties as metal(or solid material) it will decrease it's speed less quickly as metal so it will try to get in front of the bullet. And because that the mercury will tear apart the bullet, and those parts then cause much more damage.
I have read it in the book for policeman so it should be true OR I am crazy OR the author of that book is crazy.

Peace
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My guess is that either you or the author is crazy. Ive run into this myth for the last 2 decades. NO one ive ever met that had any actual experiance with mercury filled munitions. Ive never seen or even HEARD of anyone ever being killed by a Mercury filled slug. This is a load of BS. There are bullets that fragment, but it is NOT caused by mercury, its the simple application of stresses on the bullet caused by the human body that tear the bullet apart.



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5.45x39

this type of bullet enters ur body through ur leg , changes its trajectory went out through ur neck.
pretty cool
one shot , one kill
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Ok, the 5.45 round DOES NOT "change its trajectory", its a bullet, it keeps moving in the same direction untill a large enough force is met that it changes direction. There is nothing in the human body solid enough to cause any where close to such a "change in trajectory"

The 5.45 round really stinks actually. It was based off of a flawed understanding of the 5.56 round. When the russians developed the round (back in the early 70s) they still believed the 5.56 round caused its temporary and permanent crush cavities by tumbling through the target. This is simply not true. The 5.56 round gains its lethality by fragmenting into the target, this means it breaks up into smaller peices that are more easily stoped in the body, thus having a better transfer of kinetic energy into the target. This also cause multiple wound trails which is MUCH harder to treat even if you have a fully stocked surgery and trauma ward. It also creates a MUCH larger temporary cruch cavity and and pretty good sized larger permanent crush cavity.
  16:54:06  13 December 2005
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5.45x39

this type of bullet enters ur body through ur leg , changes its trajectory went out through ur neck.
pretty cool
one shot , one kill
  16:11:08  13 December 2005
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Sorry, but i know it surely, that mercury filled bullets exists. Maybe you mean that legend that someone was killed by that mercury inside, but that isn't what I meant.

As I know the mercury is added in the bullet, because it is pretty heavy liquid. and that word liquid is critical. When the bullet hits the target, it's kinetic energy cause that it will penetrate in, decreasing it's speed quickly. And because liquid has different physical properties as metal(or solid material) it will decrease it's speed less quickly as metal so it will try to get in front of the bullet. And because that the mercury will tear apart the bullet, and those parts then cause much more damage.
I have read it in the book for policeman so it should be true OR I am crazy OR the author of that book is crazy.

Peace
  14:48:05  13 December 2005
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Someone said that there was a DU round for a shotgun??
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And SPAS 12 have also uranium ammo, but I don't know if it is bullets or only the cartridge.
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since a SPAS12 is a shotgun, id guess this made up round came in a shotgun shell.


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I also thought that the mercury filled rounds were an urban legend. Wikipedia gave some information on 'how they worked,' so I decided to share it.
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if anyone ever starts talking about mercury filled rounds to you, youll know that they have no idea what they are talking about.

And i almost forgot.


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And about radioactive. Uhmmmm. I've heard that in Iraq were used uranium shells, which then caused illnesses to US troops.
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the operative word of Depleted Uranium, is the word "Depleted". This stuff is barly radioactive. You would get more radiation from an indeglow watch than from sitting next to a 120mm depleted uranium kinetic penetrator. However there is one danger, but its not radioactivity. When a round hits an armoured target a very thin portion of the outer part of hte round is vaporized. So now you have a gasous form of DU in the air. This could be toxic if a soldier has a long enough exposure time. However this would disapate quickly, then its not a big deal. However this is a down side to all modern kinetic penetrators. The human body just dosent like breathing in heavy metals. This is also the reason we tell our soldiers not to climb around destroyed enemy vehicals (among other reasons).
  01:19:08  13 December 2005
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Someone said that there was a DU round for a shotgun??

Yeah, Uranium likes to get nice and hot when it's compressed- more so than other materials of similar density/ abundance.

I also thought that the mercury filled rounds were an urban legend. Wikipedia gave some information on 'how they worked,' so I decided to share it.
  13:57:58  12 December 2005
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12/12/2005 13:58:29
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Ill straighten out some things here.

The posiones "bullet" was just a delivery system for the poison, the actual ballistics of it were horrible. It had an effective range of only a few feet. The holes made it inherently unstable, because of weight distribution and aerodynamics.

There are no mercury filled rounds. They dont exist. It is an urban legend. There are rounds that are ment to fragment through a target instead of just tumble, such as the 5.56. The round upon encountering a soft target fragments violently. You may think of this as "exploding" however there is no explosive charge, its just the kinetic energy of the round being disipated.

There are no DU rounds for the SPAS12. the spas 12 only takes shotgun shells (12 gauge). DU is only used in rounds larger than the 50 cal. This is because there is just not enough powder behind a round smaller than that to get a decent muzzle velocity that is critical to its lethality. The secondary incindiary effects of the weapon are just simply because of the sheer amount of friction between an incredibly dense round and slicing through 3 feet of reinforced armoour. This effect is only realized from the M1's 120mm Main gun, and too a lesser degree the A10's GAU-8 30mm gatling gun.

As for a radioactive bullet, that just sounds dumb... why would you want someone to die VERY SLOWLY because of radioactivity, when you could just put another bullet in them and thier dead. Obviously if you are shooting at them, you no longer want them to live, and you want them to no longer live, very quickly. Though radioactivity would be a horrible death, it would comparitivly be very slow.
 
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