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  13:59:24  30 December 2005
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Fux got it right. although when he says "prime" he means chambering a new round.


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btw, afterall I think larger mags would suck, it just crap to implement.
A "larger mag" upgrade is just stupid. And buying large/small mags is even more stupid cuz If you have a choise why wouldn't you always buy the larger ones.
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In the real world, USGI mags for my AR cost anywere from 15-25$ and Beta-C mags cost about 225 if you can get them on a good deal but are 250 retail.

AK mags:

Romanion 30rd mags will run about 10-15$ a peice.

Chinese 30rd mags go for about 20$.

Romanion 75rd drums go for about 90-100.

Actual russian drums go for about 150 while the chinese drums go for about 115-125.

Drum mags are far more expensive, and much harder to come by anyway.
  05:56:55  30 December 2005
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You can just take any mag out and replace it with another load. If the new load isn't capable of cycling the mechanism, you'll have to reprime it every time you take a shot. However, the more powerful round would cycle a round from the new magazine as normal. The following shots would either fail to cycle or jam or whatever. This is the only hitch I can think of when you're reloading different ammo types- and it's really only a concern in semi automatic shotguns with robust gas operation, like the SPAS12. I suppose there's a lot less danger when underloading a shotgun than overloading it.

So, to recap, if you're loading between ammo types with one in the chamber, the only reason why you'd have to touch the priming handle/slide/lever is if the new ammo didn't cycle or jammed due to a deficiency in the ammo itself.
  23:55:04  29 December 2005
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Flixz
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what i mean is:

If you have a blablabla mag in your gun and its fully loaded and you load a different blablabla type of bullets into your gun, can you just take out the mag and place in the new one?

btw, afterall I think larger mags would suck, it just crap to implement.
A "larger mag" upgrade is just stupid. And buying large/small mags is even more stupid cuz If you have a choise why wouldn't you always buy the larger ones.

Though different ammo types for example the AK woudl be cool imo, and easy to implement, just by letting the player chose which kind of ammo it wants to use the same way as chosing a weapon from the inverntory list when you scroll up/down
  23:23:57  28 December 2005
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Im not really sure what you are saying, its kind of hard to follow. However i always hate how FPS's always seem to have unlimited full mags.


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I don't know to much about guns, but in most cases you'll also have to reload the chambre and have to discard the round that was in right?
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  20:03:44  27 December 2005
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Flixz
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For the magazines: I think it should be kept just like in most shooters like Counter-Strike an Call of Duty; you repload, and you place a full clip in again, taking of a certrain ammount of bullets you carry.

For the larger mags: I think you should buy em, and you can chose between the types of mags you have, somewhat the same as you chose between you're arms, you have like: your pistol/grenade/knive/assaultrifle with large mag/assaultrifle with small mag.

When you for example switch from large mag to a small mag, you reload youre gun, placing a small mag in.

I think it would be pretty cool if it was somewhat the same as in Battlefield 2, where you for example also have the assault rifle twice in you're inventory menu; one for just shooting with bullets, and one for shooting with the grenatelauncher.

I think solving it like that would also make implementing different ammo types more practical. So when you for example have mag.typeA loaded in youre gun, and you switch to mag.typeB, you reload the gun (I don't know to much about guns, but in most cases you'll also have to reload the chambre and have to discard the round that was in right?) and you have mag.typeB loaded in.
  19:33:38  27 December 2005
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If you know anything about hunting with any clip-base weapon, you never just drop the magazine when you're done; too expencive to replace. Instead you pocket them in a seperate place than your full clips. Beleve me, I am not gonna pay 40-60$ for a brand new one for my Ruger. I can understand getting empty mags reloaded at The Dealer, but (for me) I wouldn't want to have to buy fresh new magazines and pay extra when I still got the ones I just used.
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Hunting!?!?!?! this is combat. you shoot and scoot. if you have time you go back for your mags. if you dont you drop and reload, screw mag retention. when it comes down to do or die, a holding onto an empty mag aint worth your life.

Fux, Gen4 stuff is absolutly astounding. there isnt a lot of info out htere, but from personal experiance, its like a minature FLIR system, if the objects are thin and not to dense, you can easily look through them, including walls, bushes and other stuff.
  08:14:33  26 December 2005
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I think it would be pretty cool to have to buy new magazines, so you have an ammo pool that can be less or more than you're capable of carrying in magazines... but I don't think that they'll do that. I wouldn't imagine that they would have different magazines for any one weapon at all. It owuld be nice, though.. it would force the player to plan and budget

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Also, the night optics on the m1a1 battle tank and other US military vehicles are considered their primary sights. The tank crews don't really use the day sights. These are IR systems, though.

The gen III and later night vision really reduces bloom and other washout effects and allow you to see very close to the infrared colour spectrum. This makes blue light pretty invisible to the system, though. Wikipedia has some good articles on that sort of thing, albeit their information stops at genIII, and I think there's GenIII or Gen4 out now.
  04:04:41  26 December 2005
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Omikias
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I didn't mean physicly blind. I ment as in you can't see a bloody thing. Kinda hard to see motion in a screen of white. Maybe I should've reworded it? As for the bigger mag buying, thats exactly what I ment; you gotta buy the bigger magazines. Everything has a price; magazines, scopes, silencers. You name it.

1) Well actually every NVG set since 3rd generation NVG's automatically adjust contrast. however you dont want ot use them durring the day because it narrows your feild of vision soo much.

2) But you dont just "upgrade" your magazine. you have ot buy new ones, and not just once, but over and over and over, then you have to make sure that you retain them.
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If you know anything about hunting with any clip-base weapon, you never just drop the magazine when you're done; too expencive to replace. Instead you pocket them in a seperate place than your full clips. Beleve me, I am not gonna pay 40-60$ for a brand new one for my Ruger. I can understand getting empty mags reloaded at The Dealer, but (for me) I wouldn't want to have to buy fresh new magazines and pay extra when I still got the ones I just used.
  02:03:07  26 December 2005
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I didn't mean physicly blind. I ment as in you can't see a bloody thing. Kinda hard to see motion in a screen of white. Maybe I should've reworded it? As for the bigger mag buying, thats exactly what I ment; you gotta buy the bigger magazines. Everything has a price; magazines, scopes, silencers. You name it.
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1) Well actually every NVG set since 3rd generation NVG's automatically adjust contrast. however you dont want ot use them durring the day because it narrows your feild of vision soo much.

2) But you dont just "upgrade" your magazine. you have ot buy new ones, and not just once, but over and over and over, then you have to make sure that you retain them.
  20:27:45  25 December 2005
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Omikias
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12/25/2005 20:28:09
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I didn't mean physicly blind. I ment as in you can't see a bloody thing. Kinda hard to see motion in a screen of white. Maybe I should've reworded it? As for the bigger mag buying, thats exactly what I ment; you gotta buy the bigger magazines. Everything has a price; magazines, scopes, silencers. You name it.
 
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