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  13:05:32  30 March 2012
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Hauuu
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On forum: 09/02/2011
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That's definitely true - but Velvet does bad things in the interests of what she perceives to be the greater good, and Westmoreland does bad things based on his own whims and interests. (Though you could argue that Velvet is the same way.) Superficially, their actions are similar; Westmoreland kills a lot of people, Velvet kills a lot of people. But to distinguish who's good and who's bad, you have to consider their motivations.

There's a strong argument to be made that as the series progresses, Velvet starts to challenge her role as a good guy. She kills an unarmed man in cold blood in Crazy Ivan; that's not good guy behavior.

There's a lot of love for Westmoreland. I always thought people liked him because he was so outrageously evil, perhaps similar to the same reason people are drawn to characters like Freddy Kreuger or Albert Wesker - but more and more it seems like people are interpreting him differently.

Anyway, he's a weird and ambiguous character. He's not a good guy. There's absolutely no getting around that. But maybe he's not a bad guy either. There are a lot of things that are predetermined in these stories, but he's not one of them. I don't know where he's going to end up, only that there'll be stabbing when he gets there.
  08:49:28  29 March 2012
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Kusanagi
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sorry i forgot about this thread.

he's dangerous... and he does bad things... but velvet is dangerous and she does bad things and she's a good guy.
  16:59:07  14 February 2012
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Hauuu
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Well, I'm still glad to hear that there are folks out there that like it.

Evil might not be the word for Westmoreland. Spiders aren't evil. Piranha aren't evil. Mutants aren't even evil. But you still don't want them around.

Rather than calling Westmoreland super evil, I'll call him super dangerous.

He's not, by any measure of the imagination, good.
  22:14:31  11 February 2012
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PCDania
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Dirge Danorum = Funeral song/Lament of the Danes. Intriguing name...

So Westmoreland is super evil. That's more evil than what I imagined. On the other hand I tend to look for the good in people...
  15:27:31  11 February 2012
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Do0mzday-Jesus
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Atrophy has less traffic because it's updated less and has less content, that simple. It's still awesome though. I'm subscribed via RSS to both of the series, so I know when something new gets posted on either Atrophy or The Way Home/The Zone.
  03:35:56  11 February 2012
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Hauuu
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Looks like she edited, and now I don't even get to know what was spoiled. But I'm glad somebody cares - the Atrophy blog gets so much less traffic than the Zone that sometimes I wonder. Anyway, I apologize on Kusanagi's behalf for whatever it was. I'll revoke her reading privileges on the new book. That'll put her in line.

Back on topic, Westmoreland is super evil. He was, until recently, definitely the most evil person in the whole Zone universe. And I'm pretty sure he still has the highest body count of anybody except possibly Biker. He definitely has a fondness for Velvet and Elizabeth. (Maybe just a soft spot for the ladies?) But that doesn't make him any less super evil.

Zone's going again, but since it's a direct continuation of Freedom, I don't think there's any need for a new thread. I'll be checking the Freedom one often.

And in advance, because people are already asking, for those three principle changes that were listed, here's the bottom line:

I brought Exile back because his death didn't sit right with a lot of readers, and because I killed him off for shameful reasons in the first place.

I brought Venge back because his death no longer worked, and because he was a fan favorite. And to be honest, I killed him for shameful reasons too.

I changed the Chapter 50/Stranger/Ever dynamic thing because I did it that way for shameful reasons. I like it better now.
  01:26:13  11 February 2012
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Do0mzday-Jesus
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Yeah, we all wanted you to spoil a part of the book we don't have access to yet. Why don't you tell us the ending as well? Maybe call us names, insult our mothers, or kick our dogs? Jesus, man. You've ruined a (obviously) significant part of the story.

Please, edit that post so you don't ruin it for everyone else.
  00:28:16  11 February 2012
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Kusanagi
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westmoreland slits up everybody not just bad guys

i warned you!
  11:03:08  9 February 2012
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PCDania
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Thanks Kusanagi
  01:50:38  9 February 2012
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Do0mzday-Jesus
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You know, I think if Ever knew how many times Westmoreland/The Ghost saved Stranger's ass, he'd probably not be hunting for him in Atrophy. I think of him as more of a vigilante than a psychotic killer. It seems like the bad guys all have a good side in this story.
 
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