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  10:55:39  31 January 2004
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Amoki
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On forum: 07/31/2003
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oh.. I had been absent for some time (quite a long time, actually). Top10 looks like a battlefield now. Over 2500 votes for some of them, from comments it seems like people were voting either 1 or 10...

Voting should require voters being logged in. Maybe using the same account as these forums, to not overcomplicate things. Of course, its possible to use dummy accounts, but at least thats more hassle.

But hey, I should keep quiet, i made it to top10. My preciousss 15 minutes of fame... until some kid will buy 20 seats in ecafe for 5 min ..ehm.
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"Illusions,Mr Anderson. Those are illusions, created by the feeble human intellect, trying to justify an existence without meaning or purpose, although.... although only the human mind can come out with somethign as insepid as... stalker?"

Look, sport, don't be disillusioned with the contest rating system. Real good stories can take the stand of time, not the stand of the feeble human voters...

To say honestly, I have not find any stories that have any resemblance to quality, which are the case with almost 3/4 of the contest entry. Only you yourself knows if your story really worth the top ten.
  11:07:31  31 January 2004
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Amoki
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Damn it. Damnit. Damn it.

Quite an odd experience to begin my post like this, but ,damn it, not much has change with the stories of STALKER since I left Malaysia to be in New Zealand, which hopefully I can become a P.R here, because the country is sooooo sweet that I don't want to leave. Have problem only with the accent though...

But, Damnit, when I scroll through the new arrivals at the stalker webpage, the contest entrees was worthless as a 100-yen note in America. Most stories are short and looked as if the owners were doing them in such a hurry that it looked like my work done in 3.00 o'clock in the morning. NO character, simple plot, lousy theme, short length, no effort... And to note that I only scroll thoguh instead of giving the stories a good look. Obviously the writers wanted to win the prize with cheap shots. Not trying to be proud here, but I regarded them as inferior with my "Prey of one", and not to mention those works done by Ian C and Midnight Ramblers and Ruintained and Goodspeed and ... the lists is not that long, really.

I am soooo sick and tired of the stories in the contest, so I might as well stay quiet and only comment when asked or when I see anything that is good enough for me to type.
  19:10:49  31 January 2004
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Nauris Krauze
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On forum: 01/09/2003
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Damn it. Damnit. Damn it.


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Hehe, take it easy, sport

There`s no need to sound so disturbed - contest was not going to be anything more than collection of (hopefully) B class sotries, with (again, hopefully) some interesting ideas, some interesting situations and maybe even one interesting character.
They are short? Well, its kinda perfect for web-format anyway. I still havent forced myself to read yours form A to Z. doesnt fit in 3 screens? People get tired.
And I prefer short ones anyway. Well, of course, my "Long Way Down the Hill" is short so I`m biased and proud of it.
(come to think of it, I truly believe it should be in the Hall of Fame10, although I havent read all the rest here.)

Lets face it - its a PR stunt and good in a sense that it at least tries to revive some creativity in potential customers. Any contest which doesnt consist of question and three answer options is a good thing (shut up, MTV!)

If there will be three stories middle level sci-fi magazine worth, I`d call it a success. Those authors you think of as unworthy, at least will have had tried to create something (maybe for the first time in their life), instead of simply consuming without a thought.
  20:21:56  31 January 2004
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Amoki
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On forum: 07/31/2003
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Damn it. Damnit. Damn it.



Hehe, take it easy, sport

There`s no need to sound so disturbed - contest was not going to be anything more than collection of (hopefully) B class sotries, with (again, hopefully) some interesting ideas, some interesting situations and maybe even one interesting character.
They are short? Well, its kinda perfect for web-format anyway. I still havent forced myself to read yours form A to Z. doesnt fit in 3 screens? People get tired.
And I prefer short ones anyway. Well, of course, my "Long Way Down the Hill" is short so I`m biased and proud of it.
(come to think of it, I truly believe it should be in the Hall of Fame10, although I havent read all the rest here.)

Lets face it - its a PR stunt and good in a sense that it at least tries to revive some creativity in potential customers. Any contest which doesnt consist of question and three answer options is a good thing (shut up, MTV!)

If there will be three stories middle level sci-fi magazine worth, I`d call it a success. Those authors you think of as unworthy, at least will have had tried to create something (maybe for the first time in their life), instead of simply consuming without a thought.
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There is no substitute for quality, as there is no substitute for victory in war.
But the problem is, while you re writing, quality means length, and that really shows, you know. SO I am looking forward to look at yours, maybe you are those who can really put both length and quality really well.
  01:30:27  1 February 2004
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Nauris Krauze
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On forum: 01/09/2003
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SO I am looking forward to look at yours, maybe you are those who can really put both length and quality really well.
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Well, I wouldnt be the one who would call himself a Writer, although I tend to fall into writing habbit time to time.


But regarding quality=length statement...well... its better than length=quality idea, anyway, I still think that you have to strip your work (be it story, painting or whatever) of everything that doesnt fuel the core of your work. Its painful, but it always pays off.

I read your piece today, while it stood out from all the rest quality-wise, I think you have problem with words: you cant stop them flowing out of your itchy-typing-fingers
In some places you could have done better by not overstating the obvious or repeating the message.

However, I do not consider myself being in position to criticize anyone`s writing, so take my words with pound of salt
  04:06:49  1 February 2004
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Amoki
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On forum: 07/31/2003
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SO I am looking forward to look at yours, maybe you are those who can really put both length and quality really well.

Well, I wouldnt be the one who would call himself a Writer, although I tend to fall into writing habbit time to time.


But regarding quality=length statement...well... its better than length=quality idea, anyway, I still think that you have to strip your work (be it story, painting or whatever) of everything that doesnt fuel the core of your work. Its painful, but it always pays off.

I read your piece today, while it stood out from all the rest quality-wise, I think you have problem with words: you cant stop them flowing out of your itchy-typing-fingers
In some places you could have done better by not overstating the obvious or repeating the message.

However, I do not consider myself being in position to criticize anyone`s writing, so take my words with pound of salt
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Not actually true, my friend, although the piece was design to be standing out of the rest. For Part 1,2,3,4, they were rewrote once before they were typed. Which means: first process- write on paper; second process- rewrite on more paper; third process- type while rephrasing. The other two was a little bit off- there were finished in three weks time with just script and typing. To speak honestly, the finger isn't typing-itchy, they were typing-disgusted... So what I implied is that what you had seen are works that had been shrink in terms of words. (Oh, yes, I forgot to mention that I actually redid Part 1 and 2 because of the quality. What you had seen was the first prototypes, so sorry about that)

but thanks for reading. And please don't use the word criticize- the more correct term is 'comments' and 'reviewing', because none of us here is proffeisional enough to be critics.
  04:34:24  1 February 2004
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Amoki
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I have gone through most of the stories- only a few really worth reading. Why? Not trying to repeat my words in my previous post, but they are done as if they were done for fun. ( Hitting myself in the head- 'Of course you idiot, people did it for fun!)

What I actually meant is that the writers put no effort in them. Lousy paragraphing, simple plot which had nothing more then death and killing. ANd while their marks in putting 'flower' sentence is probably good, that did not compensate to the fact that the work is still shoddy, jsut like how we chinese put it: 'putting a flower on a pile of dung'. My best guess is that they actually join the contest when GSC announced that the contest is closing, and they thought that putting out a work is better than. And it looked as if Goodspeed's thread to help people write better had tield no results at all.

Worst, they did not much of a research at all, a essential part of joining the contest. Most of the material is available right at the website, although some more need to be looked up in the Internet. This is a few flaws that make the joke of my day:
1) a OICW in the Zone. Wait- how did a $12,000 gun designed to be use with the Future Warrior and to be use with, if not mistaken, 1 in 8 soldier in the US Army end up in the Zone?
2) A FN2000 submachinegun. Submachinegun?

That's enough. So far, the only few I am waiting for is Ian C's THe difference between you and me, Part 3, Lukin's view.' and Midnight Rambler's work which he was working on before he went nuts ( Just an expression) but went back to work right after the short break. OF course, I am still waiting for miracles from teh new entrees.
  13:17:04  1 February 2004
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Killzig
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On forum: 02/22/2003
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Seeing as you've gone through most of the stories would you mind posting your own personal top 10? (Just out of curiousity) ... Anyone else who's read the majority of these stories feel free to chime in as well.
  05:29:05  10 February 2004
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The Duke
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On forum: 07/20/2003
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So, the ratings won't be used at all? :/

My story is doing well, it would be a shame for it to not be considered despite it's standings. Though if the voting for other stories has been tampered with, they should be considered as well.

On a related note: Does anyone know how many winners there will actually be?
  14:41:20  10 February 2004
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Ian_C
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On forum: 08/02/2003
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So, the ratings won't be used at all? :/

My story is doing well, it would be a shame for it to not be considered despite it's standings. Though if the voting for other stories has been tampered with, they should be considered as well.

On a related note: Does anyone know how many winners there will actually be?
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Don't worry Duke, I'm sure the ratings will be taken into consideration, I think it's more that GSC will retain the final power of decision if there are stories in the top 10 that are so awful they plainly don't belong there ( of course I can only speculate about this )

There will be ten winners, which was originally the function of the top 10 before it all went a bit skewed.
 
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