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  13:36:29  6 January 2004
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Amoki
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On forum: 07/31/2003
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I don't know about others, but frankly, I had it. The stories here are mostly about most of these :- source of the Zone, revenge, killing, mutant hunting, people trying to find a living... ahhhhhhhh! why can't there be anything fresh! The Zone is a place on earth, and like any place on earth, everybody who lives in it gotta have a personality. But the characters here were like... robots, as if the authors created them merely just for the short period of the story. Those people have no personality (or mad ones). I had been in the stalker contest for a year and 3 months more, and most of the thing I saw was beginning to get me. Unless for a few exception (maybe 10% of the total population of the hundred plus stories), the rest bored me pretty quickly. People just die, die, die. So does mutants.

And the theme... most of them are only about survival, or cheating death , or getting revenge, or trying to describe a Zone adventure. Almost 90% of all stories were like that. For those who just started, those might still be interesting, but for me, I had enough...

I'm not finish yet. You know what got me the most? Those friggin' stories in the top ten list were pure boredom for me. nothing personal here. The really good ones, like 'the prigrimage' 'the difference between you and me' ' the best laid plans' , went up and down like there were springs on their heels. It realy frustrates me, to know that goodspeed, who is also a member of his local amateur writing club (his writing ain't amateur), got spoofed by kids who must have bribed everyone in his school to get a copy of his game.

So please. Do consider what theme you want to tackle before you write! STALKER is a great game, but it is also non-linear, meaning that everything inside isn't mere scripts that were triggered when you did somthing like in Half-life. If stories like that keep going on, it will b before long before I join the legions of '1-voters'...

But of course, anyone who post their story here will get their fair share of comment, so don't be intimidated by my post here. I would only be to happy to help, like those who had always helped me along when I got started, though my comments will not be so kind if your stories felled under the usual genre.
  14:57:44  6 January 2004
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Ian_C
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On forum: 08/02/2003
 

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I thought this thread was going to reflect an inability to finish the rest of your Stalker story ( I was kind of hoping that anyway, as it's certainly the way I feel atm, it's like someone has stolen my typing fingers and replaced them with flippers ). I only brought that up because I feel that it's kind of linked into all of this, I find it difficult to finish stories at the best of times but the following has all mounted up;

1. The effect that this contest has on people. It's not so much constructive critique out there as it is character assassination, and the sneering superiority which nabbing the #1 spot can have on someone ( nothing personal to Duncan, but I don't remember him being such an ass in other peoples feedback before, particularly it seems to those that occupy spots #2 and #3 ). I'm not averse to that massive rush of pride and achievement you get when you hit #1 ( seems like an age ago now, heh ) but try to keep things in perspective, if you keep building yourself up you'll just have that much further to eventually fall.

2. Worrying for months about the flawed rating system, waiting for ANY kind of comment from GSC, and holding off writing my story through some 'cut off my nose to spite my face' form of protest. I am glad that they are now going to read the stories themselves, but just wish the whole thing could have been resolved sooner, maybe I made myself care too much about it......I dunno.
  15:58:39  6 January 2004
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Amoki
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On forum: 07/31/2003
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I thought this thread was going to reflect an inability to finish the rest of your Stalker story ( I was kind of hoping that anyway, as it's certainly the way I feel atm, it's like someone has stolen my typing fingers and replaced them with flippers ). I only brought that up because I feel that it's kind of linked into all of this, I find it difficult to finish stories at the best of times but the following has all mounted up;

1. The effect that this contest has on people. It's not so much constructive critique out there as it is character assassination, and the sneering superiority which nabbing the #1 spot can have on someone ( nothing personal to Duncan, but I don't remember him being such an ass in other peoples feedback before, particularly it seems to those that occupy spots #2 and #3 ). I'm not averse to that massive rush of pride and achievement you get when you hit #1 ( seems like an age ago now, heh ) but try to keep things in perspective, if you keep building yourself up you'll just have that much further to eventually fall.

2. Worrying for months about the flawed rating system, waiting for ANY kind of comment from GSC, and holding off writing my story through some 'cut off my nose to spite my face' form of protest. I am glad that they are now going to read the stories themselves, but just wish the whole thing could have been resolved sooner, maybe I made myself care too much about it......I dunno.
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I can finish my stalker story alright- I am 70% done with Part 5 and 5 % done with part 6. I can hand them up next monday alright, so don't worry about me. How about you? Looks like we, veterans of this 'war on writing', are the last ones standing. Goodspeed is nowhere to be seen though- though I enjoyed his story (keep in mind I have a PDA now- I can turn your stories into html format and convert into my Mobipocket documents, and from there on, nothing escapes my detailed look Goodspeed stories were really great, no kidding), he must had took a beating on the rating. Too bad for him.

So its just you and me now. And to say that there ain't so much a difference between you and me when both of us are rushing to finish our story
  16:07:53  6 January 2004
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Amoki
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On forum: 07/31/2003
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1. The effect that this contest has on people. It's not so much constructive critique out there as it is character assassination, and the sneering superiority which nabbing the #1 spot can have on someone ( nothing personal to Duncan, but I don't remember him being such an ass in other peoples feedback before, particularly it seems to those that occupy spots #2 and #3 ). I'm not averse to that massive rush of pride and achievement you get when you hit #1 ( seems like an age ago now, heh ) but try to keep things in perspective, if you keep building yourself up you'll just have that much further to eventually fall.
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The Duncan a.k.a runitained I know wasn't such a jackass, but after I looked at those harsh-comments, you made a believer out of me. Even I don't dare to make such offensive comments (although I might (less then 25%) be a little bit carried off when I get no. 1 consecutively.)

You know, this contest is a modern version of "Lords of The Rings". The 10 game CDs are The Ring itself, the attention of all which everyone would try to get their hands on those stuff anyway they could- cheating, lying... Sometime it even got me, considering how much tmie I invested in it, and actually I could buy the pirated version of it for RM10 ( 3.8 to 1 US, about 7.2 to 1 poind). But I learned a lot from thisn contest, no doubt about it.
  16:18:27  6 January 2004
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B.Miller
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On forum: 12/31/2003
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Writers and nonwriters

Barbara Miller:
I found out about this contest just a few weeks ago and entered a couple of stories at the last minute. My son,The Oath, posted them on this forum. Having done that, I then proceded to read every story posted on the contest site and try to give it a fair rating. This proved to be unexpectedly tedious. It also soon became apparent that the voting did not reflect the quality of the stories. The relatively few writers who are serious abot their writing are out numbered by those who are just out to get the game and the glory? Some of the stories were truly awful. But to those of you who are serious about you writing, I would say this, This contest is no measue of your ability to write or of the quality of your stories, so don't let it get you down.



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fed up

I don't know about others, but frankly, I had it. The stories here are mostly about most of these :- source of the Zone, revenge, killing, mutant hunting, people trying to find a living... ahhhhhhhh! why can't there be anything fresh! The Zone is a place on earth, and like any place on earth, everybody who lives in it gotta have a personality. But the characters here were like... robots, as if the authors created them merely just for the short period of the story. Those people have no personality (or mad ones). I had been in the stalker contest for a year and 3 months more, and most of the thing I saw was beginning to get me. Unless for a few exception (maybe 10% of the total population of the hundred plus stories), the rest bored me pretty quickly. People just die, die, die. So does mutants.

And the theme... most of them are only about survival, or cheating death , or getting revenge, or trying to describe a Zone adventure. Almost 90% of all stories were like that. For those who just started, those might still be interesting, but for me, I had enough...

I'm not finish yet. You know what got me the most? Those friggin' stories in the top ten list were pure boredom for me. nothing personal here. The really good ones, like 'the prigrimage' 'the difference between you and me' ' the best laid plans' , went up and down like there were springs on their heels. It realy frustrates me, to know that goodspeed, who is also a member of his local amateur writing club (his writing ain't amateur), got spoofed by kids who must have bribed everyone in his school to get a copy of his game.

So please. Do consider what theme you want to tackle before you write! STALKER is a great game, but it is also non-linear, meaning that everything inside isn't mere scripts that were triggered when you did somthing like in Half-life. If stories like that keep going on, it will b before long before I join the legions of '1-voters'...

But of course, anyone who post their story here will get their fair share of comment, so don't be intimidated by my post here. I would only be to happy to help, like those who had always helped me along when I got started, though my comments will not be so kind if your stories felled under the usual genre.
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  19:29:18  6 January 2004
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Arthur Gordon Pym
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On forum: 07/28/2003
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fed up

I don't know about others, but frankly, I had it. The stories here are mostly about most of these :- source of the Zone, revenge, killing, mutant hunting, people trying to find a living... ahhhhhhhh! why can't there be anything fresh! The Zone is a place on earth, and like any place on earth, everybody who lives in it gotta have a personality. But the characters here were like... robots, as if the authors created them merely just for the short period of the story. Those people have no personality (or mad ones). I had been in the stalker contest for a year and 3 months more, and most of the thing I saw was beginning to get me. Unless for a few exception (maybe 10% of the total population of the hundred plus stories), the rest bored me pretty quickly. People just die, die, die. So does mutants.

And the theme... most of them are only about survival, or cheating death , or getting revenge, or trying to describe a Zone adventure. Almost 90% of all stories were like that. For those who just started, those might still be interesting, but for me, I had enough...

I'm not finish yet. You know what got me the most? Those friggin' stories in the top ten list were pure boredom for me. nothing personal here. The really good ones, like 'the prigrimage' 'the difference between you and me' ' the best laid plans' , went up and down like there were springs on their heels. It realy frustrates me, to know that goodspeed, who is also a member of his local amateur writing club (his writing ain't amateur), got spoofed by kids who must have bribed everyone in his school to get a copy of his game.

So please. Do consider what theme you want to tackle before you write! STALKER is a great game, but it is also non-linear, meaning that everything inside isn't mere scripts that were triggered when you did somthing like in Half-life. If stories like that keep going on, it will b before long before I join the legions of '1-voters'...

But of course, anyone who post their story here will get their fair share of comment, so don't be intimidated by my post here. I would only be to happy to help, like those who had always helped me along when I got started, though my comments will not be so kind if your stories felled under the usual genre.
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More or less, i understand your feelings, as i felt sometimes the same way, but Amoki, maybe you should slow down you interest on this contest, or you'll finish it up mad, just mantain your interest in the game, and when you get bored at the stories , just pass them.C'mon dude.

As for me, the first time i caught interested in this contest, i was interested, and immediately thought about a pair of stories that wouldn't have no action and no deaths, cause that was over and over done also at that time.Then i saw that the rules of the contest said that the stories had to be ''stories about stalker adventures in Chernobyl Zone of exclusion'' and ''stories about events in a world filled with psychic and physical dangers, radiation, anomalous phenomena and mutant creatures'' .
So i had to drop my pair of ideas for something that would fit in the game, as i thought the words ''To cup it all, extracts of your stories will become a part of the Zone, its stories and legends to be included in the original game!!!'' meant that the story could be a sidemission inside the screenplay of stalker.Well, that changed definetly my point of view about the contest.First I had to drop my previous ideas for incompatibility.Then i got censored on the first story, that was never updated also if i sent it 4 times since May 2003.

At the end, i just tried to immagine the most of the past lives of my characters, as their life was really long and deep lived since the event in my story, but decided to kill both of my characters, as i thought that you could find them inside the zone in the game if i had won a place in the top ten...but i think i just didn't get it right.
the words ''To cup it all, extracts of your stories will become a part of the Zone, its stories and legends to be included in the original game!!!'' means that your stories will be on the Original cd, not in the game storyline, right?

Damn my english, i didn't get it right LOL :

  06:57:55  7 January 2004
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ruinertained
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Ian, you're right about one thing, and that is that I have made some really snide and quite possibly hurtful remarks to at least one writer (that I remember clearly, that is), and frankly, I'm quite ashamed of myself; there's no excuse for talking down to people like that. I owe that person a serious apology.

I've been going through a hard time in my personal life lately, been really cynical, and I took it out on someone through the internet... how stupid, immature, and hateful. It's got little to do with the success of my story. I dropped interest in the voting system long ago... even if it worked the way it ought to, I'm not sure a popularity contest is a decent way of deciding what makes a good story, anyways. In any case, when I saw my story jumped a point and a half over a week of holidays, my first reaction was that somebody was tampering with my score (it having changed by more than a point despite the vote-terrorism) and that people were going to accuse me of inflating it ('cuz, you know, that would be such a self-esteem boost, or something).


*sigh* Bah. I feel awful.


Edit: Incidentally, I think Part 1 of Pilgrimage suffers from really weak characterization, and is firmly ensconced in Amos' "killing without a cause" category, to be honest with you. It's not well-developed, and not the best story written here, by any means.
  06:59:45  7 January 2004
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GSMARTENS
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On forum: 10/21/2003
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fed up

But of course, anyone who post their story here will get their fair share of comment, so don't be intimidated by my post here. I would only be to happy to help, like those who had always helped me along when I got started, though my comments will not be so kind if your stories felled under the usual genre.
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Um, you never commented on my story Amiko. Thanks for the respect man, really. Besides the fact that my story doesnt take place in the Zone at all, no guns of any sort are fired, and the only people that died were when i set up background information to drive the plot, I would say that my writing is not all that bad. So if you were so serious on commenting maybe you could felled on over to my post, eh? Come on man, don't be a hypocrite, quit gripping, and try to keep it in perspective.
  09:59:03  7 January 2004
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Amoki
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On forum: 07/31/2003
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Ian, you're right about one thing, and that is that I have made some really snide and quite possibly hurtful remarks to at least one writer (that I remember clearly, that is), and frankly, I'm quite ashamed of myself; there's no excuse for talking down to people like that. I owe that person a serious apology.

I've been going through a hard time in my personal life lately, been really cynical, and I took it out on someone through the internet... how stupid, immature, and hateful. It's got little to do with the success of my story. I dropped interest in the voting system long ago... even if it worked the way it ought to, I'm not sure a popularity contest is a decent way of deciding what makes a good story, anyways. In any case, when I saw my story jumped a point and a half over a week of holidays, my first reaction was that somebody was tampering with my score (it having changed by more than a point despite the vote-terrorism) and that people were going to accuse me of inflating it ('cuz, you know, that would be such a self-esteem boost, or something).


*sigh* Bah. I feel awful.


Edit: Incidentally, I think Part 1 of Pilgrimage suffers from really weak characterization, and is firmly ensconced in Amos' "killing without a cause" category, to be honest with you. It's not well-developed, and not the best story written here, by any means.
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This is the Duncan Gavin I know Hooray!
  10:05:17  7 January 2004
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Amoki
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On forum: 07/31/2003
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fed up

But of course, anyone who post their story here will get their fair share of comment, so don't be intimidated by my post here. I would only be to happy to help, like those who had always helped me along when I got started, though my comments will not be so kind if your stories felled under the usual genre.


Um, you never commented on my story Amiko. Thanks for the respect man, really. Besides the fact that my story doesnt take place in the Zone at all, no guns of any sort are fired, and the only people that died were when i set up background information to drive the plot, I would say that my writing is not all that bad. So if you were so serious on commenting maybe you could felled on over to my post, eh? Come on man, don't be a hypocrite, quit gripping, and try to keep it in perspective.
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Well, one thing, your stories' heading was unattractive enough to keep me out of my busy schecudule to finish my "Prey of one, Predator or another" , but I will do my best to get the stuff into my PDA and read them when I am not reading Tom Clancy's Rainbow six on the same machine

And relax, I always will give my fair share of comments on items here, but just that I am stil trying (desperately) to finish the story - I am allowed till Saturday to pass up, but I think I can delay it to next monday, and to say, I put a lot of real effort in this one ( two months ! 170 pages of forum post solely to my research of weapons.) So forgive me.

The other few that I owe my apology to is Chansd5, whose 'there is no bluebird in the Zone' was cut and paste onto html format, but I didn't bother to upload it into my PDA too... Narrow House Ukraine is currently on my target list, so bear with me.
 
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