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  05:52:59  9 March 2005
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Amoki
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What do you think of the literary contest judging system?

Okay, this is an important thread. Any comment given will be directly considered by the developers soon. I'm not kidding. That is why I need you all immediate attention. All your opinions WILL BE read by the developers.

I cannot hint too much, but a major change may be underway currently that might as well change the way the contest's top 10 winners. (Note the word may).

I know most of you have been in the contest for years, and I know you all have been pretty frustrated by the way the devs has been quiet all this while. However, you just have to trust me this time that your opinions will be read by the STALKER developers.

The more posts, the better.
  10:49:01  9 March 2005
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Chode
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I don't believe the websites top 10 voting is 100% wrong and indespensible. True it has been ruined by a small (or possibly large) frew, but when you get through the garbage there is some good stuff in it.

But it would be better if a GSC hired panel of judges (or GSC themselves) read the stories, and chose things that way.
  12:25:41  9 March 2005
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Agreed that i dont think the website top 10 is completely wrong, I cannot believe though that a community based voting system would ever work to satisfaction. Id much rather see that an independent jury (GSC themselves or not) to read/vote and decide on the stories.

There are too much work put into this competition to let it go down like this. And personally, I think fanfiction can become one of the biggest features of the upcoming Stalker community so GSC would be wise to care for their future authors.
  12:29:05  9 March 2005
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FireLoDE
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No offense Amoki but you've said 'may and pointed out that you said 'may' so basically something might happen or it might not in which case this thread, your email, (which got me here) has been exactly the same as the last 3 years of waiting.

If I was you just shut down the current contest as it died both in peoples interest and in functional voting many years ago. Then take a collection on new stories have a very limited time frame (say a few months) for handing them in.

Finally sit on the stories, and DO NOT let the authors vote on them, give them to the dev team to read and judge and then they can pick a winner.

That's it, then you've started and completed a contest without any problems and at the pace of the dev team, plus none of the previous problems will hang over the contest.

That's just my opinion though, it's your call of course.
  13:21:22  9 March 2005
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Midnight Rambler
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I think the literary contest has been a joke since day 1. It's my opinion that GSC never expected the response it received, and was ill equipped to deal with it. Amoki deserves more credit than anyone else for trying to keep the wheels of progress turning.

That's my opinion, and I'm sticking to it...
  15:09:20  9 March 2005
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Heli007
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What ever works is fine by me. (Work = fair and ture voting system.)

  16:46:25  9 March 2005
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GrislySilence
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I think having a panel of judges decide the winning stories is the way to go. I would really prefer if GSC did it, but really, as long as it's judged in that way (with designated judges), I'm happy.

And the possibility of being able to re-edit my story before the judging is nice; the comments I've gotten from people have let me look at my story with a more critical eye.
  18:41:25  9 March 2005
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The most fair and effective way of filtering the best stories would be to have GSC decide themselves. I doubt anybody will question their choices.
  20:24:57  9 March 2005
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johnadaniels
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I will say the same thing I said last year.....or was it 2 years ago

"Have a independent panel or GSC judge them"

-John
  01:13:49  10 March 2005
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Chode
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The most fair and effective way of filtering the best stories would be to have GSC decide themselves. I doubt anybody will question their choices.
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This is the internet. If Jesus himself chose, someone would complain
  03:14:53  10 March 2005
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Trevor Hardy
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Well done to Amoki for doing his best to try to keep the ball rolling. Stalker was a game I was really excited about... two years ago. Even last year I was really looking forward to it. But its now nine months since Doom3 and six since HL2. I'm sure it will still be an engaging and interesting game... It just won't have anything like the impact it would have if it had shipped last year like it was meant to.

From the original description of the contest I was always under the impression that GSC would have an active role to play in the contest judging... as they were supposedly intending to incorporate some of the community fiction into the game somehow. Perhaps it was naieve of me to actually expect anything like that, but I guess I like to take people at face value.

Anyway, my suggestion would be this - GSC should use a panel of judges with hopefully SOME (if not extensive) experience with evaluating literary works... Perhaps approach some publishing companies, news papers or magazines, hell maybe even people from book clubs. These people pick a top 20 list, and then the judging panel and GSC ITSELF work together to choose the top ten.

IMO its time for GSC to stand up and take some responsibility for this mess... The moment I read the competition I realised the judging system was completely flawed - I'm sure if some thought had been put into it GSC would have worked that out too. But now they have hundreds of submissions from people who put some real time and effort into their work - thousands and thousands of hours. GSC need to consider WHO wrote this stuff and recognise that these people are their core fan-base.

If you do the right thing GSC, you will turn them into fans for life, and the publicity will be unique with all kinds of possibilities. If you continue to avoid your responsibility to these people, you will alienate your most important fans, you will get a LOT of negative publicity and your game may well flop due to a complete lack of community adoption... This isn't just a moral decision, its now become a VERY importand business decision.
  05:05:40  10 March 2005
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snowgim
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I never really liked the original voting or the author voting system, they can both be too easily exploited. Surely, if you don't send in your three votes, that's 3 more stories that won't be in competition with you (assuming that someone else votes for you).

I still haven't voted in the author voting, because, like many others I imagine, I simply haven't found the time to read through enough stories to choose 3 good ones.

I have mostly lost interest in the contest now, all I really want to know is how my stories stack up against everyone elses. And the fact that they were both included in Amoki's very helpful 'The Verdict V.2' thread is almost enough for me.

If the contest does continue, I agree that the only fair way is for a panel of judges, not from the community, to judge all the stories.

I would also be very happy to be able to re-edit my stories. Soon after I sent them in I noticed several things I didn't like about them.
  06:52:57  10 March 2005
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Amoki
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No offense Amoki but you've said 'may and pointed out that you said 'may' so basically something might happen or it might not in which case this thread, your email, (which got me here) has been exactly the same as the last 3 years of waiting.
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Well, guess what? 3 years ago there ain't any "literary contest moderator", and now you have one that doesn't kiss the dev's ass Believe me, this time will be different. If it doesn't, I don't want to be any where near the devs any more.
  06:58:32  10 March 2005
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I don't believe the websites top 10 voting is 100% wrong and indespensible. True it has been ruined by a small (or possibly large) frew, but when you get through the garbage there is some good stuff in it.
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I'll agree that there are a few 24 Carat in the top ten. But whether you realise it or not, Chode, you imposter "friend" (Heh, starting to know hos it feels.) had changed the voting trend of the contest, and now NEARLY ALL stories that are after page 2 in the contest will never win the contest. That is unfair to them.

And that factor is before you take into account that we can abuse the voting system whenever we want ot.

I'll have to say "down with the current coting system" for the good of the majority.
  15:17:05  10 March 2005
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I don't believe the websites top 10 voting is 100% wrong and indespensible. True it has been ruined by a small (or possibly large) frew, but when you get through the garbage there is some good stuff in it.

I'll agree that there are a few 24 Carat in the top ten. But whether you realise it or not, Chode, you imposter "friend" (Heh, starting to know hos it feels.) had changed the voting trend of the contest, and now NEARLY ALL stories that are after page 2 in the contest will never win the contest. That is unfair to them.

And that factor is before you take into account that we can abuse the voting system whenever we want ot.

I'll have to say "down with the current coting system" for the good of the majority.
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I've only seen one year of this, I guess most people here would have seen 3 years of it.... I'll take your word for the trends of this contest Amoki. After all, it's your job to know that
  08:01:08  11 March 2005
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Mcvia
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I'd have to agree with some of the others here. The stories should be judged by a panel of judges which are unbiased to the community. I'd prefer members of the GSC team vote and pick the top 10.
  05:27:26  12 March 2005
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Woot, or something.

After a while fighting with my cool IE settings I've manage to connect to the forum once again (...after not trying for a while). I'm for a panel of judges, sounds good. I'd actually recommend a mix between GSC and more specific english speakers (because honestly, if I had to pick between a German story and an English one I'd probably pick the English one because I speak it more fluently). Unless they seperate it for 10 per both languages.

Anyway, pretty much anything will be better than 'anyone can vote!'


On that note, my story got sort of thrown on their, a year or so after I sent it . Also, I have no idea what Вячеслав etc. is, because it's not in my story.

[maybe I'll switch around the ending a bit, since I think it's a bit too...strange for many people...]

Anyway, new voting system = good; old voting system = poor.
  20:39:17  13 March 2005
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ANTIDEAD
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I believe that the best way to judge would be for GSC to choose a group of people interested in stalker to read through each story. GSC themselves are probably too busy to read everything that has been submitted, but the current judging system is not very good.

Anyway I hope this all works out for the best
  16:19:36  15 March 2005
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Siro
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I think that only people who register onto the site should be able actually VOTE on the stories. I also think that the authors shouldn't be allowed to vote on their own stories [obviously] and so the GODDAMN COMMENTING SYSTEM WOULDN'T BE AS F'ED UP LIKE IT IS RIGHT NOW!! [which is why only registered users should be able to vote and comment]
  11:21:36  28 March 2005
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Amoki
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Gentlemen: we will have a positive solution to the problem after Cossacks 2 is published.

ATM whoever is not involved in the game-programming process is absolutely committed to PR/localization/making coffee (j/k), but after Cossacks 2 (which is their next oncoming release) they will be ready to "process" us. Did I mention that it is in about 2 weeks' time?

I will work with them closely to see what sort of deal we will have. Whatever happens, I will try to fight for what you guys asked for.

Hang on folks, light in the end of the dark tunnel is almost here. And what a coincidence it is around Easter that I got this news.

BTW - Atem is NOT out of GSC. He is not a permanent staff now, but he still works around the PR department.
  07:55:22  29 March 2005
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You are the man, Amoki

Cossacks 2...that's kind of funny, considering in PC Powerplay Australia's last preview they mentioned that GSC have more in common with "Cossacks expansion packs than Half LIfe's or Deus Ex's"
  09:05:05  29 March 2005
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Amoki
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You are the man, Amoki

Cossacks 2...that's kind of funny, considering in PC Powerplay Australia's last preview they mentioned that GSC have more in common with "Cossacks expansion packs than Half LIfe's or Deus Ex's"
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I don't know man, but what I know is that Oleg Yavorski's localization (language translation) work on Cossacks 2 is driving him nuts
  09:12:36  29 March 2005
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Chode
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You are the man, Amoki

Cossacks 2...that's kind of funny, considering in PC Powerplay Australia's last preview they mentioned that GSC have more in common with "Cossacks expansion packs than Half LIfe's or Deus Ex's"

I don't know man, but what I know is that Oleg Yavorski's localization (language translation) work on Cossacks 2 is driving him nuts
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I hope that when it comes time for STALKER he doesn't work on it TOO hard. The whole poorly translated Russian works for me, just read Kiddofspeed sometime
 
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