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  06:52:57  10 March 2005
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Amoki
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On forum: 07/31/2003
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No offense Amoki but you've said 'may and pointed out that you said 'may' so basically something might happen or it might not in which case this thread, your email, (which got me here) has been exactly the same as the last 3 years of waiting.
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Well, guess what? 3 years ago there ain't any "literary contest moderator", and now you have one that doesn't kiss the dev's ass Believe me, this time will be different. If it doesn't, I don't want to be any where near the devs any more.
  05:05:40  10 March 2005
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snowgim
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On forum: 02/17/2004
 

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I never really liked the original voting or the author voting system, they can both be too easily exploited. Surely, if you don't send in your three votes, that's 3 more stories that won't be in competition with you (assuming that someone else votes for you).

I still haven't voted in the author voting, because, like many others I imagine, I simply haven't found the time to read through enough stories to choose 3 good ones.

I have mostly lost interest in the contest now, all I really want to know is how my stories stack up against everyone elses. And the fact that they were both included in Amoki's very helpful 'The Verdict V.2' thread is almost enough for me.

If the contest does continue, I agree that the only fair way is for a panel of judges, not from the community, to judge all the stories.

I would also be very happy to be able to re-edit my stories. Soon after I sent them in I noticed several things I didn't like about them.
  03:14:53  10 March 2005
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Trevor Hardy
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On forum: 01/01/2004
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Well done to Amoki for doing his best to try to keep the ball rolling. Stalker was a game I was really excited about... two years ago. Even last year I was really looking forward to it. But its now nine months since Doom3 and six since HL2. I'm sure it will still be an engaging and interesting game... It just won't have anything like the impact it would have if it had shipped last year like it was meant to.

From the original description of the contest I was always under the impression that GSC would have an active role to play in the contest judging... as they were supposedly intending to incorporate some of the community fiction into the game somehow. Perhaps it was naieve of me to actually expect anything like that, but I guess I like to take people at face value.

Anyway, my suggestion would be this - GSC should use a panel of judges with hopefully SOME (if not extensive) experience with evaluating literary works... Perhaps approach some publishing companies, news papers or magazines, hell maybe even people from book clubs. These people pick a top 20 list, and then the judging panel and GSC ITSELF work together to choose the top ten.

IMO its time for GSC to stand up and take some responsibility for this mess... The moment I read the competition I realised the judging system was completely flawed - I'm sure if some thought had been put into it GSC would have worked that out too. But now they have hundreds of submissions from people who put some real time and effort into their work - thousands and thousands of hours. GSC need to consider WHO wrote this stuff and recognise that these people are their core fan-base.

If you do the right thing GSC, you will turn them into fans for life, and the publicity will be unique with all kinds of possibilities. If you continue to avoid your responsibility to these people, you will alienate your most important fans, you will get a LOT of negative publicity and your game may well flop due to a complete lack of community adoption... This isn't just a moral decision, its now become a VERY importand business decision.
  01:13:49  10 March 2005
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Chode
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On forum: 12/30/2003
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The most fair and effective way of filtering the best stories would be to have GSC decide themselves. I doubt anybody will question their choices.
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This is the internet. If Jesus himself chose, someone would complain
  20:24:57  9 March 2005
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johnadaniels
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On forum: 12/02/2002
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I will say the same thing I said last year.....or was it 2 years ago

"Have a independent panel or GSC judge them"

-John
  18:41:25  9 March 2005
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The most fair and effective way of filtering the best stories would be to have GSC decide themselves. I doubt anybody will question their choices.
  16:46:25  9 March 2005
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GrislySilence
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On forum: 10/06/2003
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I think having a panel of judges decide the winning stories is the way to go. I would really prefer if GSC did it, but really, as long as it's judged in that way (with designated judges), I'm happy.

And the possibility of being able to re-edit my story before the judging is nice; the comments I've gotten from people have let me look at my story with a more critical eye.
  15:09:20  9 March 2005
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Heli007
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On forum: 11/05/2002
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What ever works is fine by me. (Work = fair and ture voting system.)

  13:21:22  9 March 2005
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Midnight Rambler
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On forum: 10/17/2003
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I think the literary contest has been a joke since day 1. It's my opinion that GSC never expected the response it received, and was ill equipped to deal with it. Amoki deserves more credit than anyone else for trying to keep the wheels of progress turning.

That's my opinion, and I'm sticking to it...
  12:29:05  9 March 2005
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FireLoDE
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No offense Amoki but you've said 'may and pointed out that you said 'may' so basically something might happen or it might not in which case this thread, your email, (which got me here) has been exactly the same as the last 3 years of waiting.

If I was you just shut down the current contest as it died both in peoples interest and in functional voting many years ago. Then take a collection on new stories have a very limited time frame (say a few months) for handing them in.

Finally sit on the stories, and DO NOT let the authors vote on them, give them to the dev team to read and judge and then they can pick a winner.

That's it, then you've started and completed a contest without any problems and at the pace of the dev team, plus none of the previous problems will hang over the contest.

That's just my opinion though, it's your call of course.
 
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