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  03:57:43  6 April 2007
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M0ldyM!LK
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On forum: 03/24/2007
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Random question:

Does the LR300 use a piston-driven upper, or does it still use the direct impingement system?

With no cleaning kits in the zone and being such a harsh environment, you would think that the LR300 would be a jam-o-matic if it were indeed running on DI.
  04:14:26  6 April 2007
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StarkeRealm
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On forum: 04/06/2007
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I'm not entirely sure. The Russian site doesn't list it, and the wiki entry doesn't say. I'll readily admit that rifle's aren't my specialty though. Does this mean something to you?


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Also notable is the rifle's capability to use a fully folding skeletal stock. Most AR-15/M16 rifle variants have a thick, cylindrical recoil buffer tube that protrudes several inches straight back from the rear of the receiver, and the weapon cannot operate without it. This normally precludes the use of anything but fixed or telescoping stocks. The LR 300 gets around this problem in two ways - the bolt carrier is half the length of a standard AR-15 carrier. Secondly, the return spring for the bolt carrier is mounted forward of the receiver on the extended carrier key.
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Taken from [link]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LR300[/link]

I'd honestly never heard of the LR300 until I installed the real weapon names mod. And even then I probably would have assumed that it was an error if I hadn't just managed to make a fool of myself by misidentifying the Fort as a Grach repeatedly.
  04:34:34  6 April 2007
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NullStark
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On forum: 04/01/2007
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I think the jams are simply implemented poorly. Guns begin to jam far too high (I've had jams at 80-85% condition, after a few hundred rounds from 'perfect' - this is completely absurd) and gun quality is too 'consistent'. I think the problem could be solved by a) making quality decline more slowly b) making weapons have a more varied quality level - ie make very well maintained weapons rare - and c) have jams occur at a lower point on the quality bar.

Thus, a 'perfect' weapon wouldn't jam for hours (hopefully at least a thousand regular rounds), but you'd be hard pressed to find such a gun in the field. Different guns should have different 'jam chances', so that AR15-derivates are less reliable at any given quality than say an AK.

The current system where any given gun may jam (even quite often around 60%) is stupid and makes the 'bottom half' of the quality bar worthless. I've never seen a gun below 50%, but I imagine it would be jamming ridiculously often. Once/if cleaning is implemented, there should be diminishing returns (so that players do not simply keep their guns at 100%) but at a lower level it should be relatively easy to get a solid boost to quality.
  04:45:28  6 April 2007
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StarkeRealm
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On forum: 04/06/2007
 

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StarkeRealm
04/06/2007 4:46:18
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Actualy the weapon file does determine it's chances of jaming, so some weapons are more reliable then others, but it's completly random, which means each shot is a roll of the dice.

But, I do believe that a weapon at near perfect condition should almost never jam in game, and that there should be a method to maintain your weapons. As for diminishing returns? Well, yes and no. Yes a weapon will perminantly degrade from wear and tear over a long period of time, but if it's maintained properly that is a very long time, even while under heavy use.

Honestly a somewhat realistic and potentialy kinda neat feature would have you field stripping fallen foes weapons and picking and choosing the parts that are serviceable and ditching the rest. But, that wouldn't have been implementable I don't think.

EDIT: I R DUM
  11:02:35  6 April 2007
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Raptor
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On forum: 03/24/2007
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I've had my double barreled sawed-off shotgun jam AFTER I fired two shells...
  20:08:50  6 April 2007
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suibhne
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On forum: 04/03/2007
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I've had my double barreled sawed-off shotgun jam AFTER I fired two shells...
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VD! :salute:

It would be nice to see weapon repair offered by both Duty and Freedom, which would offer an incentive to raise your rep with one. Perhaps there could be an independent repair person as well, but harder to reach.
  21:20:42  6 April 2007
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Viral
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On forum: 03/31/2007
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I'd love to see repair kits or some form of cleaning kit or SOMETHING to keep my good guns at their best. As it is, those "unique" weapons are sometimes hard to come by, and I'd like to be able to take care of them so that it would at least SEEM like it'd be viable to use them... Point and case, I've got a "Farshooter" SVD that is sitting in my stash because I'm too worried about degrading it to use it. Been using a different normal one.
  22:10:48  6 April 2007
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Alamarian
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On forum: 03/04/2004
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AKs have a reputation for not jamming at all
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Don't believe everything you hear.


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for some reason I keep thinking of the 550 as a G3, I really can't say why. Either way, I'd assume it would be more suseptible to jaming simply because of the tighter tolerances.
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Tight tolerances will not cause jams in a weapon with proper clearances. Tolerance is the amount of deviation allowed in part dimensions from the specs. Loose tolerances usually cause malfunctions. Even the AK design will suffer when magazine practically wobble out of the mag-well. Clearance, on the other hand, is the amount of space between parts by design, rather than by screw-up.
  18:55:39  7 April 2007
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StarkeRealm
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first off, yes, I don't believe everything I hear, AKs have a rep for not jamming, that doesn't mean they don't just that they are unusualy reliable.

Second, while tight tolerances make a weapon more accurate. But, in battle conditions, weapons with extreemly tight tolerances tend to be less reliable because grit and grime that get into the weapons and cause malfuctions or even damage. There are a number of german weapon designs that have suffered from this problem over the years, and even some of the early M16s had serious problems with jamming and malfunctions because the troops using them weren't properly trained in the weapon's maintnence.

Finaly, any gun with a floating mag is asking for a jam, weither it's designed that way or not, so saying that an AK with one will jam isn't really news... You know, if you jam a round in the chamber and then try to feed another one in, it just might jam then too.
  20:09:55  7 April 2007
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Beauly
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On forum: 04/07/2007
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EDIT: Good point about the mag on the AK, still, jamming every few hundred rounds, and sometimes every 60 or so does seem a little steap. Could be that the ammo in The Zone is that poor...
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Exactly what I've been thinking. How old is this ammo? Eastern Bloc stuff can be really nasty. Who the heck knows what the zone does to ammo anyway?

Shottie misfiring? Think Road Warrior when Mad Max fires his and it goes PFFT! instead of BOOM!.
 
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