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  08:04:30  16 May 2005
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Rattenkrieg
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but even with a suppressor there is still a very loud crack. They are a far cry from silent.
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That's not entirely accurate, it largely depends on the caliber and whether the velocity it leaves the barrel at breaks the speed of sound. When you suppress something like an M4 you will hear a very audible crack because that is the sonic boom the projectile makes as it leaves the barrel at a speed breaking the sound barrier, whereas with a lower speed round like 9mm through an MP5SD you will hear much less of a crack. On the other hand an even slower caliber like .45ACP will make a barely audible sound.

Believe me I have fired a De Lesile carbine before and the sound it made was unbelievably quiet, picture the sound of a quietly stifled cough. The sound of the cocking piece slamming the firing pin forward was louder than the round being fired!. I have also shot a silenced .22 pistol, it was some sort of Ruger with a bull barrel and suppressor attached, we were using sub sonic ammo and all you could hear was the clicking of the bolt flying back and forward inside it.
  14:54:22  15 May 2005
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I thought a suppressor and a silencer were two different things; not all silencers being suppressors... Am I way off here?
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Actually there really is no such thing as a "Silencer" they are mislabeled as this object that makes a firearm Silent. Well this is not the case. Ive heard people say what you have said, but its rubish. Anydevice designed to significantly reduce the sound a firearms makes is a suppressor. but even with a suppressor there is still a very loud crack. They are a far cry from silent.
  05:15:44  15 May 2005
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cide
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I thought a suppressor and a silencer were two different things; not all silencers being suppressors... Am I way off here?
  22:41:51  11 May 2005
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Yeah.. I think it has a counter-piston to reduce the recoil caused by the heavy bolt. Or maybe that's the ak-107..

If we're going down this road, I'd rather see the AN-94 in here at any rate.
  21:28:44  11 May 2005
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The new ak-103 (kiss,kiss) is just out, so in the game it should be time correct to implement it.
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... the AK103 has been out for sometime... and its functionally equivilant to the AK-47. Point? 0
  18:44:13  11 May 2005
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Justin
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The new ak-103 (kiss,kiss) is just out, so in the game it should be time correct to implement it.
  00:12:53  10 May 2005
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Fux0r666
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I think the same can be said for carbines. Short versions of rifles, such as the Kar 98 (in contrast the the Gewehr 98) are carbines- but not all carbines fire an intermediate round and are fully automatic.

a carbine is ANY rifle that is shorter than its standered length. why do you thing the M1A is called a carbine, its original design was the M1 Garand. The M1A carbine was shorter, much shorter. Also fed from a box magazine, folding stock, and fired a .30 cal carbine round.

heck i have a Mosin Nagaunt carbine, its 6 inchs shorter than the normal mosin nagaunt. As for my AR15, it is not a carbine because standered issue is 16" which mine is.
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Yeah, we've said essentially the exact same thing. I guess the contention is whether carbines deserve a subclass containing "assault carbines." I see your point and it's a contention I can live with.
  22:47:22  9 May 2005
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05/09/2005 22:48:27
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What about weapons when their modified?

I was watching the history channel and they said the following on guns.

A. Silencers:
1. Advantage
-increased barrel length means more accuracy
-silenced
2. Disadvantage
-guns that use silencers are more likely to jam because the get dirtier faster


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A suppressor (not a silencer) does not add length to the barrel in terms of accuracy. And a SUPPRESSED weapon is hardly silent. there is still the 90db audible crack. and a suppressor has NO effect on a weapon jamming. Yes you have to clean the suppressor (actually your suppose to fire it wet) but this has no effect on the weapons ability to function.


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B. Scopes
1. Advantage
-Higher accuracy than ironsight alone
2. Disadvantage
-Most snipers barely notice if someone is sneaking up behind them because they are so focus on whats on their scope...
-very low FOV when upclose

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scopes do not "add" accuracy. They simply make it easier to make longer ranged shots because of target visibility. Youd notice if someone is comming up behind you. And the FOV is the reason you keep ironsights on a weapon in the firstplace. (Actually your FOV is small no matter at what range your using your scope.)


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C. Attachements
1. Advantage
-magazine extention, grenade launcher, and other attacements offer a specific use
-increase accuracy because the gun is heavier is reduces recoil
2. Disadvantage
-Gun is heavier and is less ideal for CQC or form moving from one vantage point ot another.
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"magazine extentions" are not attachments, thier simply a new (diffrent) mag. also weight dosent make the weapon more accurate, it makes it harder to aim, but better on follow up rounds. And im sure weight will be taken into account.


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Anyway my question is will stalker impliment ad/dis to the game on upgrades?
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at this point i hardly see that it matters. the diffrences would probably not even be recognised.
  14:26:28  9 May 2005
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stalkerX
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What about weapons when their modified?

I was watching the history channel and they said the following on guns.

A. Silencers:
1. Advantage
-increased barrel length means more accuracy
-silenced
2. Disadvantage
-guns that use silencers are more likely to jam because the get dirtier faster

B. Scopes
1. Advantage
-Higher accuracy than ironsight alone
2. Disadvantage
-Most snipers barely notice if someone is sneaking up behind them because they are so focus on whats on their scope...
-very low FOV when upclose

C. Attachements
1. Advantage
-magazine extention, grenade launcher, and other attacements offer a specific use
-increase accuracy because the gun is heavier is reduces recoil
2. Disadvantage
-Gun is heavier and is less ideal for CQC or form moving from one vantage point ot another.

Anyway my question is will stalker impliment ad/dis to the game on upgrades?
  13:54:35  9 May 2005
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On forum: 07/23/2003
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I would disagree with your taxonomy. The ban on assault weapons is meaningless because the term is not well defined, but as I understand it, the class of assault rifles is quite well defined. There is a distinction between assault, battle and other rifles. Assault rifles are typically fully automatic and fire an intermediate round, as I understand. All assult rifles are rifles, but not all rifles are assault rifles.
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I agree with you up to here


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I think the same can be said for carbines. Short versions of rifles, such as the Kar 98 (in contrast the the Gewehr 98) are carbines- but not all carbines fire an intermediate round and are fully automatic.
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a carbine is ANY rifle that is shorter than its standered length. why do you thing the M1A is called a carbine, its original design was the M1 Garand. The M1A carbine was shorter, much shorter. Also fed from a box magazine, folding stock, and fired a .30 cal carbine round.

heck i have a Mosin Nagaunt carbine, its 6 inchs shorter than the normal mosin nagaunt. As for my AR15, it is not a carbine because standered issue is 16" which mine is.
 
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