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  07:38:20  21 November 2019
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Byte Me
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Autumn veg...

Personally view that mod as a cheat. Lower vegetation means artifacts are far easier to spot. Combined with third person view and it's an exercise in 'low-hanging fruit' selection.

BTW the X2 Lab part of the wiki needs serious revision. Between it and configurator corruption/crashes it's a religion loosing experience.

Can't see why you think it's a cheat in that respect. There's just as much veg and other crap getting in the way as in the vanilla July veg. I might agree that running at a low detail or render might confer an advantage, but some players have to do that to get the game to run.

Either veg variation is just as concealing to NPCs and just as transparent to bullets.

Perhaps you could clarify what you would like revised in the X2 article.
All of it plays about the same as in 1.3003 except the end fight and it's pretty obvious what you do there.

After reading many of your posts clearly we have differing opinions of what constitutes a cheat. Mine definition is that if a modification makes the game easier to play, it's a cheat.

As to the graphics level, don't have a top of the line card in this system, game play is on medium.

Also think your definitions of obvious likely differ as well. Would detail out the differences, but won't spoil it for you. BTW, what difficulty level do you play at? That may be a factor.
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So let's see if we can get this cheat stuff reconciled.
By your definition, if anyone were to play Extra hardcore survival, Unrealistic hardcore economy, Darker nights and so on; that wouldn't be a cheat?

"Also think your definitions of obvious likely differ as well. Would detail out the differences, but won't spoil it for you."

Back to this again? Say your piece, right here, or let your strawman die in peace.

I play on Veteran mostly - is that a cheat as well?
  00:20:38  21 November 2019
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Skaraks
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On forum: 07/11/2017
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Autumn veg...

Personally view that mod as a cheat. Lower vegetation means artifacts are far easier to spot. Combined with third person view and it's an exercise in 'low-hanging fruit' selection.

BTW the X2 Lab part of the wiki needs serious revision. Between it and configurator corruption/crashes it's a religion loosing experience.

Can't see why you think it's a cheat in that respect. There's just as much veg and other crap getting in the way as in the vanilla July veg. I might agree that running at a low detail or render might confer an advantage, but some players have to do that to get the game to run.

Either veg variation is just as concealing to NPCs and just as transparent to bullets.

Perhaps you could clarify what you would like revised in the X2 article.
All of it plays about the same as in 1.3003 except the end fight and it's pretty obvious what you do there.
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After reading many of your posts clearly we have differing opinions of what constitutes a cheat. Mine definition is that if a modification makes the game easier to play, it's a cheat.

As to the graphics level, don't have a top of the line card in this system, game play is on medium.

Also think your definitions of obvious likely differ as well. Would detail out the differences, but won't spoil it for you. BTW, what difficulty level do you play at? That may be a factor.
  00:09:47  21 November 2019
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Skaraks
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Autumn veg...

Personally view that mod as a cheat. Lower vegetation means artifacts are far easier to spot. Combined with third person view and it's an exercise in 'low-hanging fruit' selection.


It is not "lower", it is colored more brown to look like fall.

I like it because those colors make the zone appear more dead.
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Gotta disagree with you on that point. Summer foliage is fuller, taller, more lush. Ground coverage with the fall mod installed it's lighter, shorter, more sparse. Mind you, no two computer systems are the same.
  18:07:27  20 November 2019
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TM5000
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On forum: 02/11/2012
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Autumn veg...

Personally view that mod as a cheat. Lower vegetation means artifacts are far easier to spot. Combined with third person view and it's an exercise in 'low-hanging fruit' selection.

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It is not "lower", it is colored more brown to look like fall.

I like it because those colors make the zone appear more dead.
  11:20:28  20 November 2019
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Byte Me
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Autumn veg...

Personally view that mod as a cheat. Lower vegetation means artifacts are far easier to spot. Combined with third person view and it's an exercise in 'low-hanging fruit' selection.

BTW the X2 Lab part of the wiki needs serious revision. Between it and configurator corruption/crashes it's a religion loosing experience.
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Can't see why you think it's a cheat in that respect. There's just as much veg and other crap getting in the way as in the vanilla July veg. I might agree that running at a low detail or render might confer an advantage, but some players have to do that to get the game to run.

Either veg variation is just as concealing to NPCs and just as transparent to bullets.

Perhaps you could clarify what you would like revised in the X2 article.
All of it plays about the same as in 1.3003 except the end fight and it's pretty obvious what you do there.
  09:54:39  20 November 2019
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Skaraks
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Autumn veg...
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Personally view that mod as a cheat. Lower vegetation means artifacts are far easier to spot. Combined with third person view and it's an exercise in 'low-hanging fruit' selection.

BTW the X2 Lab part of the wiki needs serious revision. Between it and configurator corruption/crashes it's a religion loosing experience.
  07:16:58  18 November 2019
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Byte Me
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Again, it looks to be a consequence of the PRM pack. Vanilla 14007 didn't have the "be a spy" submission when I played Join Duty.

Not sure I follow you here.

I am playing 'vanilla' as far as I know.

The only mods are PRM weapon pack (which only mentions weapon appearance and animations), Autumn Vegetation and Closed Optical sights.

These were downloaded within the Configurator.

They will affect gameplay like that?
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Autumn veg and Closed sights are cosmetic fixes.
PRM is an option that does more than just change appearances and animations. One example is the incredibly SLOW reload time for the Eliminator. In a vanilla game it's called 'Armstel Protecta' for either variant.

The difficulty seems to come in the preselected options at game setup. The configurator seems to have a mind of its own and selects PRM as though it were a required option. It isn't. Deselecting it and avoiding options like Ultrahardcore gameplay and Lunatic Economy (or whatever) gets you a basic, vanilla game.

From your last loadout piccie it's now clear that PRM tweaks the PROPERTIES of artys apart from using a different inventory set.

So that's weapons and artifact properties changed in PRM. Who knows what else is changed...
  10:52:24  17 November 2019
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TM5000
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On forum: 02/11/2012
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Again, it looks to be a consequence of the PRM pack. Vanilla 14007 didn't have the "be a spy" submission when I played Join Duty.
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Not sure I follow you here.

I am playing 'vanilla' as far as I know.

The only mods are PRM weapon pack (which only mentions weapon appearance and animations), Autumn Vegetation and Closed Optical sights.

These were downloaded within the Configurator.

They will affect gameplay like that?
  08:22:35  17 November 2019
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Byte Me
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Lieutenant


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I assume they were after the flash drive, but I saw nothing on the Wiki about this ambush.


Maybe I look cute in the Freedom armor I was wearing for this mission.

Veronin says I am a Lieutenant now.
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Congrats on your promotion. Hope it sticks.

Again, it looks to be a consequence of the PRM pack. Vanilla 14007 didn't have the "be a spy" submission when I played Join Duty. It certainly worked better in 13003 (except you had to arbitrarily stiff the Sin House occupants at the beginning of the game) - but no merc ambush. It was coded, but never seemed to happen.

Occasionally you might see a lone merc wandering around Outskirts but that was about it.

I tried to start that "Deal with Voronin" intro into Joining Duty in my vanilla game in Freeplay - but it was a non starter.

None of the ambush scene is documented simply because it's never been previously seen as functional.

Maybe you get to join Freedom later on??
  08:14:52  16 November 2019
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TM5000
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LA DC 1.4007 late start playthrough

Just out of curiosity, have you been to Mercsucker Village yet?

TS
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