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  16:22:49  27 November 2012
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Calle_SWEDEN
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I think you can count anyone who is posting here right now

Just let us know what the title is when you release it! would not want this piece of art flying right by me :/
  19:35:13  28 November 2012
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Bladewraith
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Out of curiousity, where did you get the name "Strange Horizons?" it doesn't seem to fit with what's been written, except for the odd flashback mixed with future prospects.
  01:06:34  29 November 2012
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snorkbait
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Out of curiousity, where did you get the name "Strange Horizons?" it doesn't seem to fit with what's been written, except for the odd flashback mixed with future prospects.
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Bit of a round table thing. I'm not great with titles and thought the original one was a bit...you know, meh (but it had to be called something, so there it was. It was a bit of a placeholder from the start and stuck because I didn't think of anything better by the time I posted the first chapters).
Anyway, it was time to decide on a title once and for all so I tossed ideas around with a couple of people and Strange Horizons was thrown into the hat to generally favourable responses...so it's more than a little disconcerting to find people actually don't like it.
  00:50:09  30 November 2012
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Zugbarrh
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As I will still buy the book, I would like to read a un edited version, the entire thing noe of the corners being plangently ground off. But I have to agree the title doesn't really fit it very well.

also when could we expect it to be published?


Zug
  14:44:30  30 November 2012
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snorkbait
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As I will still buy the book, I would like to read a un edited version, the entire thing noe of the corners being plangently ground off. But I have to agree the title doesn't really fit it very well.

also when could we expect it to be published?


Zug
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1st: Some of the corners (and other bits) have to go, mainly due to cost but also because some parts are...shall we say 'not quite as strong'?...as others. The bits that are being cut are things that were (and are) interesting enough, but aren't central to a plot and/or don't advance the story.
I could have left everything as it was and merely given it a quick tidy-up - as was my original intention - but then you'd end up facing a price like $25 (or around £17) for a print copy in trade paperback form (things that usually go for just under half those prices). And tbh, I'd have a problem with that because you'd be able to buy, say, Roadside Picnic plus another book for what it'd cost to buy mine.
So anyway...that's why the cuts, and cuts mean fairly extensive rewrites and other alterations to make them fit, and that's why my original estimate for completion became a bit of a joke.

2nd: The beauty(?) of GSC using CreateSpace is that the book could be available within days of them receiving the doc file.
But that's only 'COULD be'. Fact is, I don't know what internal processes GSC will put it through and when they'll publish. I think the original intention was for my book to be the next thing out, with Issue 3 of the comic book following some time after. It could always have been the other way around, though: Issue 3 comes out, then mine follows a few months later.
But really, the date of publication always lies with the publisher - in this case, GSC. Keep an eye on their official social media, if you don't already. Though as soon as I know, I'll be letting everyone else know too.

Title: Fair enough. I also know (and somewhat agree) that a title is the first grab (that and a decent cover). But it's also true that, in some respects, the title is irrelevant: it's the contents that matter.
For example, Dickens' The Signalman doesn't have a title that says 'enjoyable, effective ghost story'...but it is one.


EDIT: Don't shoot the messenger.
Just received a reply about why GSC are using CreateSpace. In a nutshell, a more traditional publishing partnership/route would be unprofitable for them at this point in time.
From their POV, the object is to give something to fans and make some cash. CS has been identified as a - or the - means that allows them to do this.
If I'm honest, I'd be more in favour of an ebook-only release...though that'd clearly alienate people without a Kindle or Kindle app, those who hate reading off a screen or simply can't do it without nodding off, and people who just prefer the tactility and experience of a book. So...
  20:03:32  30 November 2012
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Zulu Bravo
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Just received a reply about why GSC are using CreateSpace. In a nutshell, a more traditional publishing partnership/route would be unprofitable for them at this point in time.
From their POV, the object is to give something to fans and make some cash. CS has been identified as a - or the - means that allows them to do this.
If I'm honest, I'd be more in favour of an ebook-only release...though that'd clearly alienate people without a Kindle or Kindle app, those who hate reading off a screen or simply can't do it without nodding off, and people who just prefer the tactility and experience of a book. So...
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You'll definitely need a paperback version because many fans would love to put your book to the shelf together with their game DVDs and other goodies and then admire their STALKER collection
If GSC would be willing to invest in your book (as any decent publisher would do), the perfect solution would be to produce a few hundred hardcovers with LuLu and sell them through Stalker-shop. Fans could pay with PayPal (unlike on Amazon) and a beautiful hardcover with dust leaflet might justify a relatively higher price. LuLu also uses a more light-weight (read: thinner) type of paper than CS, which results in a lower page count. Of course this (and many other options not even considered by either you or GSC, as it seems) presumes that they'd be willing to put money in your book and not just hope for fat profits on zero investment...
  20:21:54  30 November 2012
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snorkbait
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I'd consider lulu, especially now they have options elsewhere (instead of shipped from US-only, as used to be the case), but it's not my decision to make. It's not a collaborative thing whereby they suggest and I agree and we move forward together. It's 'This is how we do it and that's that' - and that's no different to the likes of Random House.
I can suggest or ask. Nothing more.
All forms of publishing, apart from self-publishing (which I'm not doing in this case), involve a certain loss of control over how the work is marketed and distributed. You do the work, send the mss or doc file, and then become almost a passenger (apart from the role in promotion, etc).
Similarly, I might put all the effort in with the intention of keeping the price point as low as possible, but if GSC opts to price it at whatever...at that point all I can do is protest and put my POV across. Even then it may be ignored (again, as is the case with all publishers).
At that point, I'll have the choice over whether to possibly deal with them again or not - and vice versa, of course.

And then, the immediate problem I see with suggesting a small print run on lulu is that their reason for using CS is to reduce or eliminate costs that may not be recouped.
  05:36:55  1 December 2012
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Zugbarrh
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As I will still buy the book, I would like to read a un edited version, the entire thing noe of the corners being plangently ground off. But I have to agree the title doesn't really fit it very well.

also when could we expect it to be published?


Zug

1st: Some of the corners (and other bits) have to go, mainly due to cost but also because some parts are...shall we say 'not quite as strong'?...as others. The bits that are being cut are things that were (and are) interesting enough, but aren't central to a plot and/or don't advance the story.
I could have left everything as it was and merely given it a quick tidy-up - as was my original intention - but then you'd end up facing a price like $25 (or around £17) for a print copy in trade paperback form (things that usually go for just under half those prices). And tbh, I'd have a problem with that because you'd be able to buy, say, Roadside Picnic plus another book for what it'd cost to buy mine.
So anyway...that's why the cuts, and cuts mean fairly extensive rewrites and other alterations to make them fit, and that's why my original estimate for completion became a bit of a joke.

2nd: The beauty(?) of GSC using CreateSpace is that the book could be available within days of them receiving the doc file.
But that's only 'COULD be'. Fact is, I don't know what internal processes GSC will put it through and when they'll publish. I think the original intention was for my book to be the next thing out, with Issue 3 of the comic book following some time after. It could always have been the other way around, though: Issue 3 comes out, then mine follows a few months later.
But really, the date of publication always lies with the publisher - in this case, GSC. Keep an eye on their official social media, if you don't already. Though as soon as I know, I'll be letting everyone else know too.

Title: Fair enough. I also know (and somewhat agree) that a title is the first grab (that and a decent cover). But it's also true that, in some respects, the title is irrelevant: it's the contents that matter.
For example, Dickens' The Signalman doesn't have a title that says 'enjoyable, effective ghost story'...but it is one.


EDIT: Don't shoot the messenger.
Just received a reply about why GSC are using CreateSpace. In a nutshell, a more traditional publishing partnership/route would be unprofitable for them at this point in time.
From their POV, the object is to give something to fans and make some cash. CS has been identified as a - or the - means that allows them to do this.
If I'm honest, I'd be more in favour of an ebook-only release...though that'd clearly alienate people without a Kindle or Kindle app, those who hate reading off a screen or simply can't do it without nodding off, and people who just prefer the tactility and experience of a book. So...
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No matter how dull a part or section may be, I it would still be part of the story and removing it would to me just create a gap in the story, or take away from the story, but its your book and you should do what you think is best for it. I will like no matter what, same goes for choosing your title



Zug
  18:03:31  1 December 2012
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snorkbait
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No matter how dull a part or section may be, I it would still be part of the story and removing it would to me just create a gap in the story, or take away from the story, but its your book and you should do what you think is best for it. I will like no matter what, same goes for choosing your title
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I can understand that. As it is, it's quite hard to cut some of the stuff out seeing as it took so long to write in the first place, but...needs must. The worst-case scenario for me would be to have people going 'I would buy it, but why does it have to be so expensive?'
  10:53:37  3 December 2012
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Bladewraith
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Bladewraith
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I can understand that. As it is, it's quite hard to cut some of the stuff out seeing as it took so long to write in the first place, but...needs must. The worst-case scenario for me would be to have people going 'I would buy it, but why does it have to be so expensive?'
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I think you're stuck between a rock and a hard place my friend. some may well say "I would buy it, but why does it have to be so expensive" but those people are not the ones that are commenting here. WE (I presume I can speak for Zug on this point)really want the whole book unedited. the little details often turn a good book into an amazing one, and part of what made the Stalker games so good were the random side quests. like some of those in you posted in your story...


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Title: Fair enough. I also know (and somewhat agree) that a title is the first grab (that and a decent cover). But it's also true that, in some respects, the title is irrelevant: it's the contents that matter.
For example, Dickens' The Signalman doesn't have a title that says 'enjoyable, effective ghost story'...but it is one.
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Ah, but Singalman as a title worked as it related to the events occuring throughout the book...

Anyway, didn't mean to sound like i was nagging... i'll call Zug and I the Rock, and GSC the Hard Place.
 
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