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  15:53:42  3 June 2017
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J00B
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Here in Australia, owning a gun is quite restricted although not impossible, better chances of being around guns if you live away from the cities in the rural areas.

My father still has his .22lr from when he grew up, first gun that I shot with. He also possessed an M1 Carbine and a .308, although he sold them in his mid 20's when he moved to Europe.

There's a range about an hours drive away from me, might give it a go sometime.

We certainly don't get any fun weapons (unless you're a professional culler) thanks to this shit brain: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoKx29I2_zE
  09:14:06  3 June 2017
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Tejas Stalker
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BobBQ~

Those are some great links and a valuable resource for everyone here to
read about, understand and potentially initiate the needed requirements
for weapon buying, selling and ownership in the United States. However
none of the links that you provided were the ones I specifically asked for.

You and I both know, beyond all the automatic weapons that use the same
ammunition as their semi-automatic counterparts, that being able to purchase
those is relatively easy despite the Obama Administration buying up enough
ammo to last the DHS for the next 75 years. This made bulk ammo more
scarce and was apparent that if the previous Administration couldn't take
away the guns from people, it would do the next best thing by taking away
all the ammunition on the consumer market. To this date, trying to get
something as simple as 22lr in large bulk quantity without having to pay
a ridiculous inflated price is nearly impossible. We still have the ban on
Russian weapons and ammunition that make the import of those a sad
situation. Luckily many things can still be gotten from the former Warsaw
Pact countries for a Collector such as myself. So glad I bought my Saiga
rifle several years ago before I had any idea of the world events to come.

So specifically as I have said all along, it's not the weapon that is in question
but being able to get the ammo for it. That's the legality part. Anyone can
buy an ancient cannon, a modern artillery piece, a rocket fired instrument
or even a tank or small combat ship...but can you get the ammo for them?
The answer in most cases is no. Unless you live in a Third World country,
you work for a Drug Cartel or have black market connections, you are most
likely out of luck. With that in mind, I never at any point questioned the
ability to buy, sell or own the RPG-7 or the legality of it but simply put, it
is the ordinance that goes with it. That's the part you cannot buy or find
legally. When I say owning an RPG-7 would be illegal, in my mind I'm
talking about a fully functional RPG-7 with Military grade ammunition.
What would be the point of owning such a weapon if it did not include any
ammunition? Clearly I'm not talking about training, simulation, dummy,
rubber, inert or any other classification of ordinance that's not the real thing.

With that in mind, I will comment on each of your links as applicable:

Fascinating resource. Especially of his mention that there are ( as far as
he knows ) less than a dozen RPGs in the NFA registry. However the CZ
Training Rockets using 7.62 x 39 rounds to simulate the firing of an RPG
round is exactly NOT what I mean when I ask for a link to buy a round.
http://www.autoweapons.com/products/destructivedevices.html

Nice pictures but just that. These aren't for sell. Gun Collector's porn:
http://www.autoweapons.com/photosn/photosfeb04/dd1-48rpg.html

Great resource. There are many similar type of information on the internet:
https://www.reddit.com/r/guns/comments/pgf6z/how_to_buy_a_machine_gun_suppressor_grenade_and/

ATF form for Firearms. No mention of ordinance which is what I asked for:
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/form/form-4-application-tax-paid-transfer-and-registration-firearm-atf-form-53204

You and I both know the ATF is a strained relationship with gun owners.
Too many restrictions. Too many strange rules and guidelines. None of
them are beneficial to gun owners, collectors or anyone needing guidance
other than the wariness and dread dealing with them to avoid prosecution.

For example, I own three weapons the ATF considers Pistols. I do not
but if I attempt to alter or modify them, it could potentially change the
classification and require me to shell out hundreds of dollars in permits,
fees or taxes to remain in compliance. Some of these rules are just crazy.

Example 1: Pistol on top with 100 round drum magazine:
http://i.imgur.com/21ko2Ei.jpg

Example 2: Pistol with a welded folding metal stock:
http://i.imgur.com/SRsXkiQ.jpg

Example 3: Pistol with 75 round drum magazine with no stock:
http://i.imgur.com/iNEhWKb.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/CxOemqW.jpg

My oldest weapon shooting 7.62 x 39:
http://i.imgur.com/4McoePS.jpg

My rifle that shoots 7.62 x 54:
http://i.imgur.com/NJJW4ZI.jpg

My AK-74 variant:
http://i.imgur.com/aWNrU2y.jpg

My pride and joy:
http://i.imgur.com/DOmWMWZ.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/mgqa3b1.jpg

I need to take some pictures of my AMD-65 and Saiga 5.45 with a 20 inch barrel.

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  23:22:09  2 June 2017
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BobBQ
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Here's a dealer who is or was offering some live RPG-7Ds and 7.62x39 sub-caliber training inserts for them, along with a wide variety of other grenade launchers and a few anti-tank guns.

http://www.autoweapons.com/products/destructivedevices.html
http://www.autoweapons.com/photosn/photosfeb04/dd1-48rpg.html

Basic information about buying NFA weapons, including RPGs and the like: https://www.reddit.com/r/guns/comments/pgf6z/how_to_buy_a_machine_gun_suppressor_grenade_and/

National Firearms Act Handbook: https://www.atf.gov/firearms/national-firearms-act-handbook

ATF Form 5320.4, AKA Form 4, Application for Tax Paid Transfer and Registration of Firearm: https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/form/form-4-application-tax-paid-transfer-and-registration-firearm-atf-form-53204

Guide to filling out Form 5320.4 (aimed at people buying suppressors, but the form also covers destructive devices): https://johnpierceesq.com/the-complete-guide-to-the-new-form-4/
  21:43:47  2 June 2017
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Tejas Stalker
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06/02/2017 22:17:42
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x5060

You've now instigated an argument twice with me in less than 24 hours.
You came here whining about others arguing yet it is you who is the root
cause of having the behavior you accuse others of. I can only imagine that
you came back to this Forum because people were tired of you elsewhere.

Please provide a link to buy a real live RPG-7 round as stated or you're lying.
Please provide a link to the ATF Form that shows anyone can own the same.
Not RPG-2, not M203, not inert, not a rubber dummy, not deactivated. Real.

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  15:20:36  2 June 2017
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x5060
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x5060
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Illegal as in a real RPG-7 with a real, live warhead round.

NOT a deactivated RPG-7 with a deactivated warhead round...
NOT a re-activated RPG-7 with a dummy, training warhead round...

I really shouldn't have had to explain the difference...but there you go.

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That is not actually illegal either.

You could purchase, Form4 a real RPG-7, wait for the tax stamp, and import it from the manufacturer (or just transfer it if it was already in the country). You could also do the same with a real RPG-7 round as well, it would be considered a DD (destructive device) and you would have to register and tax stamp each individual round.

Just like I can purchase an M203, and real HEDP rounds, I just have to register each round as a DD, wait for the tax stamp then do the transfer.

The only hard part of this process is actually finding someone who would actually sell you one. The importation may have some extra paperwork and would probably have to go through an SOT.

So you are in fact wrong... Still.

See why I remember you for arguing?


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Yep. Not illegal, just expensive.
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Exactly.
  10:18:13  2 June 2017
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Tejas Stalker
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Illegal as in a real RPG-7 with a real, live warhead round.

NOT a deactivated RPG-7 with a deactivated warhead round...
NOT a re-activated RPG-7 with a dummy, training warhead round...

I really shouldn't have had to explain the difference...but there you go.

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  00:42:39  2 June 2017
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BobBQ
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Yep. Not illegal, just expensive.
  20:50:18  1 June 2017
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x5060
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Apex Gun Parts was selling real, deactivated RPG-2s not too long ago.
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I buy all kinds of stuff from Apex. Several of my parts kits builds came from there.

Oddly enough you can actually legally reactivate those RPG-2s by doing a form1 as a DD with the ATF and pay your 200$ tax stamp. So it isn't actually illegal.
  18:42:28  13 April 2017
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BobBQ
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Apex Gun Parts was selling real, deactivated RPG-2s not too long ago.
  04:54:41  12 April 2017
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Tejas Stalker
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Sleep Dirt~

It's a movie prop I got from China. Owning the real thing would be too
expensive, very illegal and too dangerous to keep lying around active.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtMssTSnRHU

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