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  00:22:38  20 December 2009
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BobBQ
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The deal is every squad in Russian/Soviet Army (and any other army that based it's doctrine on the soviet one - like say Yugoslavian National Army and ex-YU states armies) has a sniper and a machine gunner (equipped with a GPMG).
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...Which is more or less what I was saying.

I think we have a confusion of terms here: in NATO armies of the Cold War period, what you call a 'sniper' was what we would call a 'designated marksman', while a proper 'sniper' was usually someone who worked independently of regular infantry, often moving slowly under camouflage and prepared to spend considerable periods of time waiting for a target. NATO armies didn't normally issue sniper rifles at the small unit level like the Soviets and their satellites.

Terminology aside, the important point is that rifles like the SVD were designed to be lugged about in rough conditions just like the AKs, PKMs and other weapons they were fielded alongside.
  01:59:07  20 December 2009
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I guess Soviet snipers weren't as big of wussies as the NATO ones and didn't have to be pampered with specialized guns.
  03:30:33  20 December 2009
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I think we have a confusion of terms here: in NATO armies of the Cold War period, what you call a 'sniper' was what we would call a 'designated marksman', while a proper 'sniper' was usually someone who worked independently of regular infantry, often moving slowly under camouflage and prepared to spend considerable periods of time waiting for a target.
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Exactly. And since the sniper is expected to take shots at far longer ranges than the DM, a bolt-action rifle is generally used, such as the Remington 700 and the M40. The optimum sniper shot is 800 yards, and at that range you want as few moving parts as possible.

I would say that the SVD is a decent rifle for picking out targets at short to medium distances in the hands of a squad's DM, but it wouldn't be considered a "sniper rifle" by NATO armies.

Here's an excerpt from Wiki's article:

The Dragunov is an original rifle design for several reasons. First, it was not meant for highly trained and specialized sniper teams, but rather for designated marksmen, spread in every basic infantry unit. In every platoon of Warsaw Pact troops, there was a Dragunov rifle marksman. In the DDR (Deutsche Demokratische Republik) arsenals alone, there were almost 2,000 Dragunov rifles,[8] while in many western armies there was not even a single sniper rifle except in special forces units (as example, in the Italian Army until the 1990s), but in Warsaw Pact troop formations, the Dragunov marksmen were widespread among the regular units. To fulfill this role the rifle is relatively light for a sniper rifle but well balanced, so it's easy to use in a dynamic battle. It also is a semi-automatic rifle, a rare feature for accuracy orientated rifles in the 1960s (except for customized ordnance, like M1 Garands), to allow rapid fire. In order to fire effective API ammunition, its accuracy potential was slightly downgraded by shortening the twist rate, another uncommon priority for a pure sniper rifle. Its precision is good but not exceptional, also because it has a relatively light barrel profile.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SVD_rifle#Deployment
  04:21:13  20 December 2009
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I guess Soviet snipers weren't as big of wussies as the NATO ones and didn't have to be pampered with specialized guns.
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The SVD actually has a NATO analog in the M14 DMR, M39, and SR25.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Marine_Corps_Designated_Marksman_Rifle
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M39_Enhanced_Marksman_Rifle
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SR25

I'm sure HK and FN have their own versions as well.

So the real question is, where are the Soviet long-range, bolt-action sniper rifles?
  04:35:11  20 December 2009
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So the real question is, where are the Soviet long-range, bolt-action sniper rifles?
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In my local gunshop at $99 each.
  04:37:01  20 December 2009
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So the real question is, where are the Soviet long-range, bolt-action sniper rifles?
In my local gunshop at $99 each.
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  13:56:05  20 December 2009
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How about this? I think it's Russian. Don't know if it's bolt action, but by the looks of it, I don't think it really matters.

http://77rus.smugmug.com/Military/Interpolitex-2009/G08-copy/700703426_os4SK-O.jpg
  00:23:14  21 December 2009
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  00:24:22  21 December 2009
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Show your arsenal!

Kane~

This thread has been very interesting and informative in pointing out
the differences in concept and philosophy of the western and eastern
armies of the World. If anything, I have an even greater appreciaton
for the SVD Rifle and it's distribution among the more common troops.

Acolyte:

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So the real question is, where are the Soviet long-range, bolt-action sniper rifles?

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Acolyte~

SV-98 sniper rifle:
http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sn28-e.htm

MTs-116M sniper rifle:
http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sn90-e.htm

Let's not forget about the SVD that shoots 9mm:
Dragunov SVDK sniper rifle ( 9.3 X 64 )
http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sn79-e.htm

BobBQ~

Did you know that after Australia had a crack down on imported semi-
automatics like the SKS, the Mosin-Nagant became the most popular?

Sajeezzar~

It's never too late for Dick Jokes coming from you.

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  01:30:17  21 December 2009
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Did you know that after Australia had a crack down on imported semi-automatics like the SKS, the Mosin-Nagant became the most popular?
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More popular even than the Lee-Enfield? Wot 'appened to that dinkum Aussie pride?
 
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