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  12:59:01  9 October 2021
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PCDania
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On forum: 09/22/2007
 

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The Zoners and Loners Bar

I've noticed a trend in new Motherboards where they have less PCI-e slots ( my new one only has 3, two for video cards and one PCI-e x 1 ) for any additional components. It appears in just the past few years, Motherboards have shedded PCI-e slots so they can use the space for M2 NVMe SSD cards instead. This makes a USB-C powered external Sound Card more attractive...

The speakers you have are very nice and expensive.

TS
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The reason Motherboards have less PCI-e slots (Note: a PCI-e 4 length slot might only be a PCI-e 8x electronically) is because you can max run 2 Gfx cards in SLI, and as far as I know the same goes with Crossfire (I prefer Nvidia cards). At least with SLI, the second card only added about 50% and the third only 25% so you used a lot of money on getting little extra effect. So, only very few people made those multi card setups. Because of that the game developers use little time if any on supporting SLI or CrossFire as it's mostly a waste of time. Instead the unused PCI-e connections are used for M.2 drives whereby the manufacturer don't have to add a third party chip for those that aren't built into the CPU.

The USB sound cards are meant for people using gaming laptops so they get better sound than what the laptop can provide. Nothing hinders using them on a stationary PC. Please note that the USB soundcards also puts some load on the CPU but as you noted, on a modern CPU you will hardly notice anything while gaming.

Personally I don't use headphones as I've never found a pair that didn't make my outer ears hurt + I have a light version of psoriasis.

If you have no problems related to using onboard sound there is no reason to buy a discrete sound card.

What the speakers go, I've had an eye on them for at least 10 years or so. As you note they are pretty expensive but I had luck buying the last set an online shop had in storage at about 30% off. A few days later they had them again, this time in remote storage (which means at the EU importer of the speakers) and at the old higher price.

Back to "The Zone".
  01:14:49  14 October 2021
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Molecule
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*PDA messages to Vikingstalker and PCDania*

Guys, it's fall now and winter will soon set in. The bar will provide a warm and cozy place to sit out the cold winter. See you guys soon.

Talking about soundcards, I don't have one in my current rig of 3 years old. Using the onboard soundchip now. I just checked my regular retailer. Sound cards aren't very common now/
  20:58:14  18 October 2021
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Vikingstalker
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*messages back to Mr.M*

All good here, we just finished our business in the warehouses and are on route back home. We spend some time picking up loot on the way, thus the delay, can't let all that juicy Monolith gear fall into Duty or Freedom hands, now can we
Shouldn't be long now, I can already see the village in the distance.


I think the last PC I used that had a dedicated soundcard was the 333MHz Pentium of my brother over 20 years ago. My first own PC had even an onboard GPU aswell . The ones I build myself were also with onboard soundchips and I never thought any less of the quality, but that might be because I also always had, and still have, a proper hifi amp connected to the pc with good Speakers. My best friend uses a Creative Soundcard with an external equalizer to which his Hifi setup is connected, but he's quite the Audiophile and by now even is earning some money as a semiprofessional producer for small bands/singers.
But come to think off, i might include a soundcard in my next build just for the heck of it
Almost a shame that PCs nowadays are so simple, I still remember having to set up all the Audio channels manually when you installed a Game on a DOS PC...
  00:01:04  19 October 2021
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PCDania
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*messages back to Mr.M*

All good here, we just finished our business in the warehouses and are on route back home. We spend some time picking up loot on the way, thus the delay, can't let all that juicy Monolith gear fall into Duty or Freedom hands, now can we
Shouldn't be long now, I can already see the village in the distance.


I think the last PC I used that had a dedicated soundcard was the 333MHz Pentium of my brother over 20 years ago. My first own PC had even an onboard GPU aswell . The ones I build myself were also with onboard soundchips and I never thought any less of the quality, but that might be because I also always had, and still have, a proper hifi amp connected to the pc with good Speakers. My best friend uses a Creative Soundcard with an external equalizer to which his Hifi setup is connected, but he's quite the Audiophile and by now even is earning some money as a semiprofessional producer for small bands/singers.
But come to think off, i might include a soundcard in my next build just for the heck of it
Almost a shame that PCs nowadays are so simple, I still remember having to set up all the Audio channels manually when you installed a Game on a DOS PC...
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... not to forget the Dip Switches and tweaking autoexec.bat to get the most out of the 640K.
  14:04:31  20 October 2021
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Molecule
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Ah, those jumpers, I remember seeing them on my first soundcard but then never again on following ones. I still remember installing the DOS and Windows drivers, requiring you to chose and set the settings like Port, DMA and IRQ.
  07:52:23  22 October 2021
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Tejas Stalker
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PCDania:

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After installing my new sound card I could hear a clear difference compared to my old one which was a about 10 year old Sound Blaster Recon 3D PCI-e, as far as I remember being the first PCI-e sound card by Creative.

Btw, my speakers are the Edifier S760D which are really good 5.1 all-round speakers and I use all three outputs on the sound card. Before that I had the Logitech Z5400 (from around 2004 or so) which are good for movies (they are now connected to my TV) and games but not so good for music as they don't have middle range units in the speakers.

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PCDania

I used to operate two Computers ( current OS and previous OS ) through a KVM switch for many years, that used a single 3.5mm line for audio. With that set-up, I used the onboard speakers on the single Monitor and had a single USB keyboard and mouse for both PCs. I think this lasted for many years until the older PC went out of service and I removed the KVM switch.

Eventually I found the onboard speakers on the monitor inadequate, not necessarily for gaming but trying to listen to spoken audio while on the internet sometimes but especially with DVDs and other media. That's when I went back to using 2.1 speakers, that I slowly upgraded in quality as time passed. This was also using onboard MB audio.

I upgraded from a 27" monitor to a much larger curved 32" monitor with a 144Hz refresh rate. As I have recently acquired a newer Computer ( Windows 10 ) and still operated an older Computer ( Windows 7 ) I looked into getting a new KVM switch. While many touted 4K capability, I noticed none of them worked above 60Hz refresh rate, so that made KVM switches something I didn't want to go back to.

Both PCs were using onboard audio with my 2.1 set-up, where I bought an audio cable splitter that plugged into both PCs. I got around needing a KVM switch by having a different wireless USB mouse for each system. Only my refusal to use a different keyboard ( something wireless ) from my special Gaming keyboard ( no longer made ) I've had since 2005 provided a unique solution. I simply found another on E-Bay and now I swap out each of them per use ( both are plugged in to their respective PC ) which I'm willing to put up with.
https://i.imgur.com/aB2uDcW.jpg

My monitor has an on-screen menu where I'm able to switch input between both PCs plugged in by Displayport and the other by HDMI. So this is how I can run two Computers without a KVM switch, the 2 keyboard set-up being the only mild inconvenience. So now you are up to date on where I was wondering if my new PC needed a stand alone Sound card ( internal or external ) and I came to the conclusion I was okay with my 2.1 set-up.

However your premium 5.1 set-up made me wonder if I could figure out a way to upgrade to 5.1 while running two Computers. The difference being you had two additional cables: rear and center. I then realized that the same splitter cable I had used for the single line-in could be duplicated for all three inputs. Being a huge Logitech speakers fan, I purchased their premium Logitech Z906 5.1 THX Dolby DTS 500 Watt set-up. I found room to place the rear speakers on an upper tier on my large desk and just ordered and received a mini-shelf to place the subwoofer on so I could place the command module underneath ( I am tight on available space ) that I will get re-arranged this weekend. Anyway here's what I bought:
https://www.logitech.com/en-us/products/speakers/z906-surround-sound-system.980-000467.html

Basically I decided it was more beneficial to upgrade to 5.1 from a 2.1 set-up than buying a new Sound Card. I'm going to spend some time with it, still using the onboard MB audio of both systems before I do any further upgrading. Thanks for your replies.

TS
  17:14:40  22 October 2021
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PCDania
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Congrats on your new speakers. I can from experience tell you a 5.1 speaker system gives a whole other experience when a pseudodog snarls behind you
  19:16:56  24 October 2021
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Tejas Stalker
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PCDania

How do you have your 5.1 system set-up? Are the rear speakers actually placed behind you somewhere? That's just not possible with my furniture placement as my Computer desk is in my bedroom on a wall with a door to the bathroom on the left and a door to my closet on the right. I was just going to put my front speakers on either side of my monitor, at the same level as I sit at my desk. My desk has a large hutch behind my monitor where on the top most upper shelf I am placing my large subwoofer, center speaker and control module up top. There is room to place my rear speakers on the upper shelf on each corner. I was thinking the sound projection would be good if I placed the rear speakers facing the sides ( 45 degrees ) at an angle so I could differentiate between the front and rear. Any thoughts or suggestions?

TS
  20:47:12  24 October 2021
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PCDania
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I live in a small one-room apartment so my rear speakers are placed behind me on the floor. A subwoofer can be placed about anywhere, mine is place under a low table my computer is placed on just to the right of my desk. The center speaker is placed right under my monitor, the front speakers are placed with one in a window just to my left and the other on top of my computer. I've adjusted the volume for all the speakers in the control unit thereby countering somewhat on their placement.
  02:58:48  25 October 2021
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Tejas Stalker
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The Zoners and Loners Bar

PCDania

Yes, that would not work for me to place mine on the floor despite that being a workable solution to actually having rear speakers behind me. I once bought some bluetooth wireless speakers for my large TV, with the soundbar and subwoofer up front and the rear speakers to be placed behind me somewhat, at each corner of my couch. While in theory this sounds like a good solution, unfortunately I noticed a slight but very apparent delay in the sound where dialogue ( talking ) was just enough out of sync to be annoying and making me feel like I was watching a poorly dubbed foreign movie. I won't ever go that route again. Once again, thanks for your reply.

TS
 
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