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Question Is Russia still a power capable of competing with the US?
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  15:50:58  22 April 2006
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Kyton
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Youre not planning to attack to finland are you? those airspace violations
are pretty threatening!

nah, just kidding! i know that your president, Putin, is a man of peace
  19:25:06  22 April 2006
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Siro
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Finally! I am BACK!!!!!!!!

Back on the MOtherator throne, baby.

Hey Kyton. Let's continue the war! The thread is not over yet!
  13:43:14  7 April 2007
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baff
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How are we defining "superpower"?

Is it the ability to militarily project power abroad?

As far as I'm aware Russia still owns the worlds largest navy and more nukes than the rest of the world combined.


Or is it perhaps global influence, in which case I think Russian power has diminished in the last 20 years. Although there are clear signs of a recovery in terms of European trade. Eastern Europe is beginning to feel the diplomatic heat again also as far as I can tell.

Can Russia defeat other countries militarily? Most of them yes, but The U.S., France, Britain or China while inable to defeat Russia, are all quite able to take Russia with them when they go.
The nations are all effectively undefeatable, although France, Britain and China are all still possibilities with pre-emptive action.

I think more intresting is the emergence of the Chinese as a pacific naval force. That submarine that surfaced next to the U.S.S. Kitty Hawk pretty much spelt out how far carriers can be relied on in any next generation naval battle.

Taditionally any increase in Chinese military would be a direct threat to Russia so I can't see that Sino-Russian relations are thawing strategically. Economically perhaps.
  16:20:45  10 April 2007
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Siro
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Putin has started reforming the army and pouring even more funds into it (might fix the fact that they're all just a bunch of rambling hordes of farmboys or mafia kids that kill each other from a lack of anything else to do) to make sure he can take on China if anything does break out between them. Imagine when that plan succeeds, and no Chinese invasions occur in the future. Russia will be a nation to fear...
  21:05:26  11 April 2007
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Sqalevon
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Russia still has one of the largest reserves, resource wise. I think that this will guarentee a stable base for Russia to expand their economy on. ( Unlike China and India wich provide cheap labour.)
On top of that, Russia has proven to be resourcefull in the engineering department.

The ( military ) prototypes found there after the fall of the Sovjet Union has kept me intrested for a long time. I think its just a shame that alot of inventions dont seem to break trough.
Example : Antonovs stageless gearbox

If Russia can start investing more on research we can see some pretty neat stuff

I think Russia will be alot better off then the States, in 40 years from now.

Sqa, out.
  23:29:55  11 April 2007
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After i left Russia i saw the fall of the almighty superpower with pity They were dying end being humiliated by their own mistakes ... but now after the corrections have been made by Putin Russia is again on the road to become once more the great superpower. But the problem is...what will happen after Putin.....
  08:36:31  13 April 2007
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Siro
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I hope someone as competent as Putin will be elected, or if the people vote to keep him in power again. His second election was entirely democratic, which proves the people do like him. Thank goodness the normal people outnumber the New russian oligarchs. They do not like Putin because he goes against them. Hopefully someone that is favorable towards them will NOT be elected.
  23:29:19  13 April 2007
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Janus
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Of course it is , Russia is still a major power , never forget it has more than 8600 nuclear warheads , and a very well trained infantry ,its airforce is not what it used to be , but it's still a very capable force .

I think that it is slowly recovering from the corruption era and recession it has known since the end of USRR , it will take decades before it can become a superpower again , but Russia is certainly not to be under-estimated from a military point of view .

But IMHO , if you exclude the possibility of a nuclear conflict , Russia cannot compete with the US yet if a war has to be fought outside the ex-USSR tommorow morning IMHO , US Navy is impregnable , USA is the only power to have its own GPS (sorry i don't know the term in English ) , best intelligence networks , has bases all over the world and the best mobility and logistics , their Airforce is the most advanced and effective currently (training , experience . In Russia they don't have as much money to fly as often as the US Force for training for instance ) .

But if US attack Russia , it would not be able to actually occupy Russia , this is for sure , and as said , the conflict would be nuclear , and as a matter of fact , Russia and USA both have more than 8000 nuclear warhead , so they'll never make war together , cause there would be no winner and they know it , just both countries nuked .
  17:32:48  16 April 2007
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baff
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The U.S. navy is most certainly not impregnable.

Like all navies it is vulnerable to submarine attack. (Not to mention a rowboat full of explosives in the case of the U.S.S. Cole).


Last month a Chinese submarine surfaced unannouced within torpedo range of the U.S.S. Kittyhawk.


Russia has the most submarines and the most uptodate ones.



The carrier superiority of the U.S. fleet allows it massive firepower for amphibious operations, and also the flexibility to quickly deploy airpower to many theatres of the world.

But in terms of naval engagement, it's last centuries technology. The arms race does not stand still.


Missile range, is greater than naval airarm range. A cruise missile can be launched 600 miles away. In the age of satelittes, all carrier locations are already known.

The Chinese have intercontinental ship buster missiles with a range of half the globe.


The last historical naval engagement was in 1982. Shipping was solely destroyed by land based aircraft and submarines. There was no carrier vs carrier engagements; fear of subamrine attack kept the superior carrier in theatre confined to shallow coastal waters out of strike range.

AEGIS systems notably failed to shoot down a single incoming munition but did get one aircraft.
Ship buster missiles fly at wave height and are pretty close to undetectable to radar systems even if AEGIS were accurate enough to destroy them.
Exocet missiles proved highly effective, despite only having a 30 mile range and having to be launched from well within fighter range of the carriers.



The U.S. Airforce is totally mighty. It is not only extremely numerous and well positioned it is well trained and high tech.
It is not however the best trained nor the highest tech.
British pilots for example recieve double the amount of training as their U.S. counterparts, and the Germans, the Russians, the Chinese and the British amongst others, all fly more advanced fighter aircraft.
Russian pilots have plenty of experience. They have been fighting in Chechenya for god knows how many years. Dutch and British airforces, by example, have seen every bit as much action as the U.S.

Only the U.S. and Russians have any serious modern long range bombing capabilities.

It's numerical superiority however is not to be underestimated.
Not only it's land based airstrips but also it's sea based ones allow the U.S. to deploy on a vast scale without rival.

It is of historical note, that despite this great numerical and logisitcal advantage and despite the additional allied air assets, NATO was unable to achieve Air Superiority over the formally Soviet Union airspace of Kosovo.
( Add to this laser guided bombs didn't work through cloud cover and the mighty Stealth Bomber was shot down by radar guided missile, while the Apache's point blank refused to fly, ground forces were not significantly degraded from the air; and we start to see exactly how overwhelming the U.S. technological advantage actually was).


A small note to bear in mind about GPS.
If you have it switched on, your enemy can use it too.

Aside from that, the signals can be jammed or the satelittes shot down.
  22:38:24  16 April 2007
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Janus
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It's an interesting post Baff , thanks for posting , but there are a few things i would like point .

Russian submarines aren't the most advanced , countries like USA or France have most advanced submarines (more modern) and especially nuclear tactical submarines . Britain are pondering about Trident project of modern subs , and all three countries have the most modern telecommunication satellites that give a far greater protection against jamming and decyphering as well as cover a lot more area of the planet and with far more accuracy .

US Forces also have massive land based long range missile capability , and have the advantage over any country , in the fact that they have bases all over the world and superior logistics to any other army .

One thing about GPS , it's all American and heavily crypted for military , the time you take to decipher it , then the information is outdated , current GPS system are all American controlled and owned , Europe tried with Gallileo project to have its own , but Europe is young and only France and Germany seem to care about it , and btw it's not really much use yet since we are in NATO and allies .

About the Airforce , speaking of Western Europe Airforce , it's actually the French who arguably have the finest with 320 strike jets , the British have less but a bigger Navy (and a smaller nuclear arsenal , about 300 hi-power warheads while France own slightly more than 400 ) . For instance the Eurofighter (built with EADS ) has half the range of the Dassault Rafale which is one of the best jet in the world in pure performances and multirole ability (really suited for both nuclear/ground attack , and interception/free hunt as opposed to others ) , the electronics in it is the most modern , and the pilots training is extremely selective and hard . AFAIK , the Chinese do not have more advanced aircraft than the US or UK or France , and indeed , the British (Iraq , Afghanistan) , French (Afghanistan , Ivory Coast)and Dutch (Afghanistan) etc.. airforce in have seen some actions , but definetly not as much as the US airforce from my sources .

But indeed , some smaller countries airforce pilots have more training (because they are far less numerous ) like the British , French or German , for example , there was a NATO training a few years ago at the north of Marocco , and no NATO planes could come close to the French CDG nuclear carrier .

But again , nothing compares to the American Airforce , both in numbers and quality F-22 Raptor , no country can equip its airforce with such an expensive aircraft , this jet has 15 tons of thrust in each wing , which is more than the double of any other 1st line aircraft of any other airforce ( superior electronics and acceleration is decisive in modern days aerial engagements ) and is extremely costy in maintenance and consumption , and USA had ordered about 460 of them . No other country yet , can afford to have such power hungry, expensive and top modern high performance plane .

I think humbly that USA superior intelligence (satellites , structures/networks, technology , GPS ) , logistics , Airforce , Navy (most modern , trained and capable strike force ) , experienced special forces (recent conflicts) , and the fact that they are considerably richer than any other potential ennemy , IMO guarantees them short term success . Only wars USA cannot win are when they have to occupy for a long time a hostile territory and face "guerilla" warfare , like in Vietnam or in Iraq now , but if facing a regular army in 1-on-1 tommorow morning in a non-nuclear conflict , i humbly don't think Russia (albeit being a formidable military power ) can stand a chance unless USA has to actually occupy the vast Russia which is almost impossible . I also think that China is largely overrated , their equipment is still seriously outdated albeit impressively numerous , and Economically (very important ) can't stand a long war with a superpower like USA , even if their population is 1.400.000.000 and their industry growing , in the distant future probably yes , but not yet according to military experts reports i've read in the press .
 
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