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  01:32:29  7 April 2020
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Tejas Stalker
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I'm now starting my 3rd week of staying home from work, self-distancing from others, now ordered by my State Government. Unless we are going to the store for food or the drugstore for prescriptions, we are encouraged not to travel and get near others. I'm sure most everyone in the world is aware of this. I was just wondering what others are experiencing in their home countries and if anyone has gotten ill or recovered from it.

I saw this on the internet and thought I would share it:

Finland, ‘Prepper Nation of the Nordics,’ Isn’t Worried About Masks:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/05/world/europe/coronavirus-finland-masks.html

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  20:34:23  7 April 2020
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Lord_Santa
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well, Sweden's got a very relaxed policy, for better and for worse; but that is due to how our government works and how much (or in this case little) power our authorities have to decide what the citizens can and cannot do

we have various experts giving recommendations as to how we should behave and (most of us) are behaving accordingly (i.e. keep your distance to others, etc) - where I live we're asked not to use public transport either, which for those of us who don't have a car, nor driver's license, can get tricky

we're not allowed inside retirement-homes, however, since it's basically taken hold on every single one in the country, somehow

unfortunately, due to how Swedish politics (and 'policies') has (dis)functioned, especially with regards to housing and integration of non-European citizens, we've had a wide-spread, particularly in the socioeconomically challenged areas of Stockholm (i.e. the capital)

apart from that, Swedes have gotten used to a rather high standard of living and consumption, due to various 'moves' during the 90s on-wards, when politics (and 'policies') changed the nation in its very foundation and we become more of a... bit more... capitalist-nation; which in turn has been very successful in driving commerce of non-relevant goods up to unprecedented levels and as such, we are now witnessing businesses collapse all over, not to mention the airlines of which Swedes had gotten very comfortable using, now we're down to one airline and that will only go nation-wide to five destinations, one flight per day.

the elderly population (70+) has been recommended to stay in-doors, but... Swedes are a very peculiar kind of people and there's more old people outside now than... almost ever; it's literally ridiculous and media have been pointing it out, but...

The King's had a speech, or two, as has the prime-minister; both have recommendations, based upon what the expert-authorities have been saying, but apart from that, there's not much they can say/do

the government is currently printing moneys like never before; 'fortunately' we don't owe that much moneys (compared to other nations), as we've been paying off our debts (like crazy, if you ask any other nation since the 90s) and as such we do have rather stable finances, but at the same time Swedish politicians are/should be known as the most incompetent, naive suckers on the planet, having tax-payers money get drained by various schemes, practiced by various nations/companies/individuals and as such there's a lot of interest in ripping Sweden off at the moment, causing quite a strained situation, with regards as to who should have [what] and [why]

also, we basically out of medical supplies, because our (once again) incompetent politicians have (since the 90s) decided to get rid of all our stockpiles, which they now admit "was a mistake, but now is not the time to point fingers", as such we can barely keep up with the health-care, all the while we've been 'privatizing' some of it in recent years, which has been completely disastrous, due to... *drum-roll* incompetent politicians and spending tax-moneys; as such we have the most expensive hospital ever built (and the 13th most expensive building in the history of man-kind), alas... it wasn't really... meant for 'these' kinds of situations... I've been there... it looked like what I'd imagine Dubai's airport would look like... expensive art and broken fans...

but I digress

apart from that, our public television (which we've had since the 60s-70s? and being the main source of information to the people, consisting of two TV channels and four radio-stations) are basically doing their best to A) report on Corona B) entertain, in very Swedish ways (morning-gymnastics, etc.)

on a personal level, the only way any of this has affected me at all, is that I had to buy the cheaper kind of diapers (people went crazy there a couple of days) and the cheaper kind of oatmeal (damn you!!) - apart from that... life is exactly the same... maybe... even nicer in some ways; neighbors seem more caring and I don't feel as crowded when I go shopping food, or taking my strolls...
  20:55:51  7 April 2020
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Here in British Columbia, we have implemented a moderately strict quarantine quite early. As Canadians, we do like moderate policies. Gatherings are banned, playgrounds are closed, we are encouraged to stay indoors, but we are not forced to, and most restaurants still operate for takeout.

Our province has also been doing more testing per capita than any country in the world, other than South Korea in the beginning. We are now behind Iceland, the US, and Italy.

You can see the results here: http://www.bccdc.ca/health-info/diseases-conditions/covid-19/case-counts-press-statements

The new case rate has basically flat-lined since the beginning of the quarantine and has been dropping lately. It has even shrunk below the recovery rate for the past three straight days, meaning that the overall number of infected people has been decreasing.

The healthcare system, however, is still preparing for the worst-case scenario and says that it has enough supplies, should another spike occur. We are now ready to think about how to start easing the restrictions.

We have not had that many infections in total, and I don't know anyone who has gotten ill.
  23:37:31  7 April 2020
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Swedes are a very peculiar kind of people and there's more old people outside now than... almost ever; it's literally ridiculous and media have been pointing it out, but...

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Not where I live, the last couple of weeks streets have been almost empty, especially from old people. Personally I think it should be safe for old people to take a walk outside, provided they keep their distance and wash hands after using public door handles etc. Public transport may not be a good idea though, who knows how the air is circulating inside those vehicles?

But it's ironic how younger people that are generally not at risk are asked to stay home (wrecking the economy in the process), while the older ones that are at risk of getting seriously ill are running free in the streets...


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unfortunately, due to how Swedish politics (and 'policies') has (dis)functioned, especially with regards to housing and integration of non-European citizens, we've had a wide-spread, particularly in the socioeconomically challenged areas of Stockholm (i.e. the capital)

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I think it's a cultural phenomenon, ethnic groups where people live several generations together will probably be hit harder, even more so in countries where the average age is high (in Italy I believe both apply). In contrast, ethnic Swedes usually live more spread out (often in single households), which should limit spread quite a bit.


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we are now witnessing businesses collapse all over

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Yeah, some small business owners are really suffering now.
  00:11:11  8 April 2020
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Swedes are a very peculiar kind of people and there's more old people outside now than... almost ever; it's literally ridiculous and media have been pointing it out, but...

Not where I live, the last couple of weeks streets have been almost empty, especially from old people. Personally I think it should be safe for old people to take a walk outside, provided they keep their distance and wash hands after using public door handles etc. Public transport may not be a good idea though, who knows how the air is circulating inside those vehicles?

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yeah, it might be a Stockholm-issue - watching the news and seeing an old couple (78 and 79 respectively) enjoying the sunshine and simply answering "well, I took another shot before going outside today", as to why they're outside during the outbreak; same behavior can be seen all about town, which is rather disturbing; apart from that, we have (of course) the issue of lonely elder in Sweden, thus basically forcing a lot of them to go outside in order to do their shopping, etc.

the part that disturbs me (and others) the most, however, are the old people hanging around at malls; I can fully understand that this is how they usually spend their days, probably due to several reasons; but in these times, it feels dumb, rather than defiant to sit at a mall all day long
  17:13:40  9 April 2020
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Tejas Stalker
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From my limited experience, I'm not really seeing old people out and about, but I'm in a small rural town ( having moved from the big city a year and a half ago ) in a new subdivision with new streets and houses. There are new streets put in next to my house on the edge where no houses have been built yet. I see young people walking, most with dogs and some with children who appear to be in their 20s, 30s and a few in their 40s but none older. This may be only a reflection of who bought a new house in my area so by no means an accurate count of any age group.

The last time I went to get groceries, I ordered them using a phone app and had a scheduled pickup time at 7:30pm by vehicle where you arrive and they bring it out to you. I showed up about 7:20pm and found at least 50 to 60 cars in a line behind the store. It moved slowly. By 8:30 I got to the end where you next waited for an open stall that were numbered by the alphabet: 26 letters = 26 stalls. I drove into one and waited. 30 minutes later they came out to my car and said no more orders were being filled that night ( stores close at 8pm for inside traffic ) and I was sent home with nothing. I was told to come back the next day and I showed up at the earliest time, which was 12:30pm. This time there was no long line in the back and I drove right up and got a stall. Lesson learned do not schedule a pickup at the last available time, especially when more people getting off work ( designated essential occupations ) are competing with you.

Now I know I could have walked in but they are limiting the number of people at a time and you have to stand outside in really long lines. So I'm trying to avoid contact with others and it's much easier to sit in a car than stand outside. I'm trying to be really careful. As a Baby Boomer myself, I fall into the most at risk age group and I have some health issues due to age. I count my blessings for being in a safe place and being able to afford to hunker down and avoid the outside world of others. I only wish the best for everyone here reading my words.

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  19:32:32  9 April 2020
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My local supermarket has no restrictions whatsoever, except reserving the morning hours for old people. I did notice a few old ones roaming the aisles even in the afternoon though. Seems the store is still short of toilet paper even after two weeks, are people still hoarding that?

Despite being middle aged myself, I don't consider myself highly at risk for complications even if/when I get this virus (famous last words, perhaps). That said, even "flu-like" symptoms can be unpleasant enough, and I could of course infect other older people, so I'm not seeing my older relatives and keep a certain distance to all others (including my ex that keeps calling).

I do continue going to the gym, figuring the health benefits outweigh the risk. I haven't noticed any huge decline in the number of visitors there.

I'm also supporting my favorite restaurant. Other customers only dare order takeaway now, but I don't think there's a bigger risk of actually eating on the premise when I'm the only guest anyway.
  16:27:01  13 April 2020
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Tejas Stalker
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All restaurants are closed for inside dining including fast food places. You can get orders to go, where they bring it outside to you if you order by phone, app or online. All fast food places operate drive-through only. Gyms, parks and most outdoor gathering places are closed. Some were initially open but people refused to practice social-distancing so they were closed as a precaution.

You can still go to gas stations, tire and automotive places, etc. which are considered essential services needed to keep people functioning as they are allowed to go to grocery stores, drug stores and other necessary businesses. Pretty much if your job is considered essential, like construction or some outdoor types are still as they were. Office settings are not. You telework or work from home if you can, and if not you simply don't work. Lots of people who are self-employed or have small businesses non-food related are out of luck. Lots of people have filed for unemployment.

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  22:44:10  14 April 2020
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My gym now practices "social distancing", for example by switching off every other threadmill, but still requires all members to press their finger against the same fingerprint reader at the entrance. In the dressing room people crowd and chat as usual.
  08:48:44  15 April 2020
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So after observing their lack of common sense, are you still going? Are you taking sanitizer, gloves and mask?

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