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  11:43:51  11 August 2021
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nashathedog
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I don't buy Gigabyte any more.

A few years back when wanting a new GPU I grabbed a Gigabyte 560 Gaming OC so I could sell my Sapphire Fury Pro Tri-x as in the picture below, Yes it was a low end card but it couldn't keep itself cool and the fan noise was as loud as a highend maxed out graphics card sounds under full load. When using my PC I keep the audio quite quiet so component noise matters to me. After 2 years with the virtually silent Tri-x the Gaming OC was unbearable.

https://i.imgur.com/TY1yHhg.jpg

Several years ago I decided to upgrade my CPU from an Intel 4790K (Haswell Refresh) to an 8700K (Coffeelake). That meant I also needed a new motherboard & some DDR4 memory. I went on the hunt & found a Gigabyte motherboard that cost a bit more than I'd planned on spending but it came with a free game I wanted so I used the price of the game to offset the extra cost for the motherboard & got it along with the CPU & system memory.

When the parts turned up the motherboard turned out to be a flimsy low quality one, It had cost me more than the ASUS ROG Hero motherboard I had been using with my 4790K but the quality difference was night & day so I ended up sending it all back.

Those two experiences turned me away from Gigabyte hardware, That said they also do Sata & M.2 SSD's now & with no moving parts it should be almost impossible to mess them up so never say never.
  11:57:24  11 August 2021
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nashathedog
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In the linked video Hardware Unboxed are reviewing the new AMD 6600XT GPU & the result testing it on PCIe 3.0 v PCIe 4.0 is interesting.

The performance jump seen at 19:44 is a big one, admittedly Doom Eternal is an outlier but their is a consistent gain across the games they tested giving an average 5% improvement overall 20:43 which I'm guessing will slowly increase as software/game developers start to take advantage of the extra bandwidth PCIe 4.0 brings to the table.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tDYu5sBtFs
  21:15:15  28 August 2021
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Three Mile Island
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Why Windows 11 is forcing everyone to use TPM chips

https://www.theverge.com/2021/6/25/22550376/microsoft-windows-11-tpm-chips-requirement-security

Windows 11 supported Intel processors
https://docs.microsoft.com/sv-se/windows-hardware/design/minimum/supported/windows-11-supported-intel-processors

Seems my CPU is not on the list.

Apparently support for Windows 10 is ending in year 2025, when my current hardware is just 8 years old. Hopefully Win10 support will be extended longer than that, especially if many users refuse to get a new PC just because Microsoft wants them to.
  01:21:02  31 August 2021
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Three Mile Island
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Yes, Samsung Is Swapping SSD Parts Too

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/samsung-is-swapping-ssd-parts-too
  09:45:49  7 September 2021
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Tejas Stalker
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PC upgrading

Windows 11 will tap into top speed on Intel's new Alder Lake chips
https://www.cnet.com/tech/computing/use-windows-11-for-top-speed-on-intels-new-alder-lake-chips/

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Beware miners selling thrashed second-hand SSDs as new
https://www.pcgamer.com/beware-miners-selling-thrashed-second-hand-ssds-as-new/

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How to Build a Gaming PC That Plays the Latest Games
https://www.makeuseof.com/build-gaming-pc/

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Despite AMD CPU patch, researchers highlight more exploits could be incoming
https://www.pcgamer.com/despite-amd-cpu-patch-researchers-highlight-more-exploits-could-be-incoming/

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  12:41:14  12 September 2021
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Tejas Stalker
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PC upgrading ( AMD mega-edition )

Sky-high AMD Ryzen 9 5950X prices provide an unsettlingly discouraging snapshot for PC builders of the effects of the 2021 global chip shortage
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Sky-high-AMD-Ryzen-9-5950X-prices-provide-an-unsettlingly-discouraging-snapshot-for-PC-builders-of-the-effects-of-the-2021-global-chip-shortage.531579.0.html

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Own an AMD Ryzen CPU? Download the latest chipset drivers for 'critical security fixes'
https://www.pcgamer.com/own-an-amd-ryzen-cpu-download-the-latest-chipset-drivers-for-critical-security-fixes/

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AMD is smashing Intel in retail desktop CPU sales
https://www.techspot.com/news/90718-amd-smashing-intel-retail-desktop-cpu-sales.html

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AMD’s Ryzen 5000 processors with integrated graphics are now available to buy
https://www.theverge.com/2021/8/5/22611066/amd-ryzen-5000-g-series-processor-graphics-gpu-cpu

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AMD's Ryzen 9 5900 would be the best gaming CPU if they existed and we could actually buy one
https://www.pcgamer.com/amd-ryzen-9-5900-oem-only-sucks/

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AMD Ryzen 7 5700G 8 Core Cezanne Desktop APU Benchmarked With 4.8 GHz Overclock, Comes Close To Ryzen 9 5900X In Single-Core Performance
https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-7-5700g-8-core-cezanne-desktop-cpu-benchmarked-4-8-ghz-overclock/

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Cooler Roundup 2021 with AMD Ryzen 9 5950X
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLTD6oJORTI

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AMD Ryzen 5000G (Cezanne for desktops)
https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-5000g-5700g-5600g-5300g-cezanne-desktop-apu-specifications-leaked

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  00:56:35  13 September 2021
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Three Mile Island
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Tejas, is that a new PC build in your signature?
  18:17:19  13 September 2021
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nashathedog
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Tejas, is that a new PC build in your signature?
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High end too, Slightly jealous here
  00:29:13  14 September 2021
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Tejas Stalker
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PC upgrading

Three Mile Island:

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Tejas, is that a new PC build in your signature?

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nashathedog:

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High end too, Slightly jealous here

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Yes, but it's complicated and there's more to the story. I'll try to be brief.

As you and some others may know, I bought the parts to build a new PC in the fall of 2018. My current PC was a pre-built Acer i-5 2300 from 2011. It had received several video card upgrades with the latest being a GTX 970. While it was doing everything I needed it to do, it was certainly time for an upgrade and I wanted to do it myself like I had done many times before the Acer.

However I had a big change in my life, where at the end of 2018 I bought a house in another town and county. I packed up everything and moved and getting back to all the parts I had bought, got put aside for other things more pressing. Such is life.

Fast forward to the GTX 2000 series coming out, and then the GTX 3000 series. Cryptocurrency came back with a vengeance and suddenly there was a worldwide shortage of video cards everywhere. This didn't really bother me as I had the parts for my new build including my new GTX 1070 Ti.

Then the pandemic hit which made everything more difficult and life changed for everyone, and again the new build was a lesser priority. I wasn't really playing anything other than Stalker Mods and a few smaller less intensive games that I have posted about. While video cards went way, way up in crazy prices, you couldn't even find them if you wanted to.

As I have shared many, many links about PCs, video cards and Covid here on the Forum, I was keeping up with all the latest news and trends. People could not get what they wanted in all of 2020 and now going into 2021. Everything was out of stock and at some point in 2021, New Egg ( one of the largest PC sellers in the US ) started a thing called the NewEgg shuffle where they had very limited quantities and would do a raffle system at a set time where you might or might not get a random opportunity to buy one.

A friend of mine tried this all year and claimed to have failed two dozen times or so. His wife tried it once and scored him an EVGA RTX 3080 for around $1300. Unfortunately, being a night shift worker, the NewEgg shuffle always commenced where you signed up and a few hours later it went down, but in the hours I was asleep. Another factor NewEgg added to prevent cryptocurrency people from grabbing everything was to combine video cards with other items like a motherboard or a monitor ( their choice ) where you took the package deal or it didn't happen. Likewise the video cards were the brands they chose to offer and not necessarily what you wanted.

Then in 2021 GSC announced Stalker 2 coming out in the Spring of 2022 and listed the requirements. Suddenly my gathered parts were in alignment with the minimum requirements and far from the recommended. There had been huge advancements between my GTX 1070 Ti and the current Ray Tracing RTX series. MY CPU was now already 3 generations behind. I started entertaining other possibilities. I had previously looked at in early 2021, buying a pre-built computer from HP where you could get an RTX 2070, since there was no other way of getting one, other than a laptop as I had posted here about laptops being an option for some people.

By August of 2021, HP had an RTX 3060 you could select some parts for with a 500 watt power supply for about $1,700. Amazon had a nice Asus case I liked from a vendor with an RTX 3070 for about $2,099. As I knew from prior experience, with vendor pre-built systems they often save money in the deal by using no name micro-ATX MBs ( no room for expansion slots or M2 SSDs ) generic low quality memory and hard drives. There's just no telling who made the components and that was just not very desirable to me as a Computer purchase is a big deal and will last me for years. Since this seemed the only way to get a new video card, I had the choice to do this or go ahead and build with my dated parts. What was weighing on me was the newest information about continuing chip shortages into 2022 and possibly 2023, in all areas of technology from cars, electronics and computers. Things were not going to get better.

Then I remembered I had posted a news article back in July:

Newegg will now build you a gaming PC with your own choice of parts for $99
https://www-pcgamer-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.pcgamer.com/amp/newegg-will-now-build-you-a-gaming-pc-with-your-own-choice-of-parts-for-dollar99/

So I went to the NewEgg site and initially just wanted to try the build procedure to see how it compared to the pre-built systems from HP and Amazon. I had even asked on Amazon what brand was the RTX 3070 and the vendor never replied. This way I could pick every part I wanted and knew the quality would be the best. As I expected, the cost would be more than the others. You were required to pick 9 parts minimum: CPU, GPU, MB, Memory, SSD or HDD, Case, PSU, CPU cooler ( liquid or air ) and OS. It was also limited to what was at the California location where the build service was. I had a choice of an RTX 3070 or 3080 and anything higher was too expensive. There were many brands but I got everything I wanted except the case and CPU cooler. I had to choose from about 20 cases and I went with a brand I knew and was happy to see it actually had a space for a DVD/Blu-Ray drive, something that is very rare today. I quickly realized the liquid cooling would take up the space for the DVD drive so I went with air cooling and knowing Cooler Master was a good brand, I picked the model they showed would fit in the Antec case. The more I read about both of them, the more I was happy with choosing them.

Overall everything added up to about $2,700 and it would have been $2,400 to go with a smaller 2 fan Asus RTX 3070 or $2,500 for an Asus white 3 fan RTX 3070. I decided on the RTX 3080 and the total cost included the $99 build service no matter what. I think that was a good deal to have everything put together, tested and running especially delivered to your door. I know all of this is expensive but this is the only way to get ALL the parts I wanted. Trying to buy the video cards alone show all out of stock. I know the RTX 4000 series will all have the same inflated prices, scarcity to get and greater power supply demands which means more heat and operating cost. I really think the RTX 3000 series are the ones to get if you can and I'm more than content that I will be ready for Stalker 2.

TS
  12:19:55  14 September 2021
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nashathedog
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Three Mile Island:

Tejas, is that a new PC build in your signature?


nashathedog:

High end too, Slightly jealous here


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TS
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You picked good parts,
I'd like to replace my GPU in time for STALKER 2 but pricing's a rip-off & I won't be able to afford a prebuilt just for the GPU. I won't be moving on from my rig until AMD (assuming I stick with them) release the next platform (AM5) with DDR5 support so for the forseeable I'm on AM4 with PCIe 3.0, I may even wait & jump over the first gen AM5 like I did with the Ryzen 3000 series.

At the moment my little Navi Graphics card isn't struggling to stay above 60 fps at 1440p in any games once I tweak the graphical settings so I can't complain. I have run out of system memory a couple of times when video editing but I'll have to live around that as I don't want to spend anymore money on stuff like DDR4 as it's almost at end of life. It's the same with M.2 drives if I'm going to buy anymore of those it'll be a 4.0 model presuming they're backwards compatible. I haven't looked into that yet.

On a good note AMD released a new driver yesterday that supports Smart Access Memory with the 5000 series GPU's like mine so it'll be interesting to see what difference it makes over the next few days.
 
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