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  23:15:06  18 January 2018
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Three Mile Island
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Project Riese and Complex Osówka

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Riese


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Riese [ˈʁiːzə] (German for "giant" is the code name for a construction project of Nazi Germany in 1943–1945, consisting of seven underground structures located in the Owl Mountains and Książ Castle in Lower Silesia, previously Germany, now a territory of Poland.

None of them were finished; all are in different states of completion with only a small percentage of tunnels reinforced by concrete.
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One of the structures called Complex Osówka is described in more detail here: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/01/11/osowka_underground_city/
  04:24:03  19 January 2018
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Tejas Stalker
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Message edited by:
Tejas Stalker
01/19/2018 4:25:09
Strange, Weird & Unusual Places

(1) Tunnels of Gibraltar

This has always been a fascinating place and situation to me. I remember it's location being used in the James Bond movie with Timothy Dalton in "The Living Daylights" ( 1987 ) and here's a few links related to that:

http://www.007museum.com/james_bond_gibraltar.htm

The Living Daylights - Gibraltar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxMy_-WAT6M

I've always found it fascinating that the Germans never tried to take it in World War II and that it remained in British hands during the whole duration.

(2) Project Riese and Complex Osówka

I actually recently saw an hour long program on TV about this area. It's focus was the search for the mythical "Nazi Gold Train" and the efforts of several Polish locals that they believed it was in this same area. They even went to several locations related to this. When people realize this was not in Poland at the time but was part of Germany, it makes more sense. Here's several short clips related to that subject:

Hidden Treasure: The Mystery of the Nazi Gold Train | NBC Nightly News
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxDcBsmEF28

Treasure hunters begin digging to uncover Nazi gold train in Poland | REPORTERBOX
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mVA9McKdCE

Adolf Hitler Headquarter "Riese" Owl Mountains Poland Osowka
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OT-niRqQbTs

Project RIESE , Rzeczka
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icleUHD4rb4

Apparently the location was used in a "Call of Duty" Video Game:
Behind The Horror: Der Riese | The Real Life Story of "Project Riese" (Call of Duty Der Riese)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRUTUecCl9k

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Fortunately there's a lot of material on both these two places.

TS
  09:11:57  19 January 2018
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I wonder how much of that tunnel network is explorable but is not so public it has lights and hot dog stands along it.
  12:11:10  19 January 2018
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Tejas Stalker
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Strange, Weird & Unusual Places

The Enduring Legend of the Girl Who Died in Odessa's Catacombs
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/7bd7ab/dying-in-ukraines-endless-labyrinth-of-catacombs-341

Gruesome discovery beneath Odessa Catacombs illustrates dangers of Urban Exploration
http://weekinweird.com/2014/12/29/gruesome-discovery-beneath-odessa-catacombs-illustrates-dangers-urban-exploration/

Masha And The Catacombs Of Odessa
https://www.reddit.com/r/UnresolvedMysteries/comments/51d84z/masha_and_the_catacombs_of_odessa/

Odessa Catacombs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odessa_Catacombs

TS
  13:17:16  19 January 2018
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Three Mile Island
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(2) Project Riese and Complex Osówka

I actually recently saw an hour long program on TV about this area. It's focus was the search for the mythical "Nazi Gold Train" and the efforts of several Polish locals that they believed it was in this same area.
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Yeah I was reminded of that train too. After it was mentioned in the news, things got very quiet:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_gold_train


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The dig was halted after seven days when no tracks, tunnel or train were found.[23] The radar images thought to have been the train were revealed to be natural ice formations. An official from the town admitted tourism was up 44% for the year, and said "the publicity the town has gotten in the global media is worth roughly around $200 million. Our annual budget for promotion is $380,000, so think about that. Whether the explorers find anything or not, that gold train has already arrived." The town mayor was considering naming a roundabout after Koper and Richter.[23]

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  12:40:01  20 January 2018
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Three Mile Island
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Oh, didn't know you could delete topics (despite being a forum member for a decade). I could only find one of them, maybe Don Reba took the other one.

Never heard of the Odessa tunnels before.
  12:49:30  20 January 2018
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Three Mile Island
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Here's a fascinating South African cave: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rising_Star_Cave#Discovery_of_fossils_in_"Dinaledi_Chamber" --Looking at the cross-section, it seems odd that people would have dragged dead bodies all the way in there. Maybe they simply got lost one at the time over the centuries?

If you enjoy claustrophobic cave exploration I can also recommend this fantasy novel: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/876771.Styx
  03:44:32  21 January 2018
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01/21/2018 3:47:36
Strange, Weird & Unusual Places

Three Mile Island~

That's a fascinating link about that Cave. The thing I always think about is their primitive means of lighting. You have a torch and nothing better. If it goes out and you can't get it relit, you are truly screwed. Especially in a Cave like that with it's narrow passages and it's steep incline dropping into the final chamber.

You just don't realize how crazy exploring that is in ancient times until you see this video:

Inside the Rising Star Cave
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPnmVUcVOhM

First Look Inside the Fossil Cave (Expedition Update) | National Geographic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9mXu1BWI6A

Imagine going in there with the thought your lighting could go out at any moment, especially if there's a strong air current blowing it out.

TS
  13:29:45  21 January 2018
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Three Mile Island
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Yes and that's even assuming they did use torches. I suppose fire was known at the time, but creating a torch might be more complicated than making a fire for say cooking. Then you need to carry that torch somehow while climbing down the pits. OTOH, maybe blind prehistoric individuals could make themselves useful as cave explorers, being blind making them better at navigating total darkness.

When I was a child we played hide and seek in a large pitch black basement, and even in rooms we were familiar with from before the light was switched off we quickly lost orientation in the dark. And those rooms were just simple rectangular shapes, with straight walls and a horizontal floor.

 

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